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Is Rishi Sunak utterly thick?

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noblegiraffe · 17/04/2023 21:07

Today he actually went ahead and announced his plans for everyone studying maths till 18.

And all everyone commenting on this on the news or social media has been saying today is "but this is mad because there aren't enough maths teachers to teach the qualifications we already have".

And teachers including maths teachers, are going on strike again next week because the government refuses to pay them properly. The government also failed to meet its maths teacher trainee recruitment target last year and will again this year.

This announcement just gives everyone the wonderful opportunity to point these governmental failings again and again.

Why the fuck would anyone with any political sense announce a policy that cannot happen and gives everyone the opportunity to point out that it can't happen because the government are shit?

Just why?

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Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:07

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:02

Yes, but so is knowing anything about how learning works, and you still comment on that.

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That's because I've used YouTube to learn from Oxford university lectures,

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:13

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:07

That's because I've used YouTube to learn from Oxford university lectures,

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That's very well done of you.

Especially considering that OU Department of Education doesnt' really do lectures...

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:18

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:16

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I'd hazard a guess that a lecutre about Calculus doesn't really tell you much about how people learn.

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:18

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:18

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FEB728FF960FBD9
University of Oxford philosophy lectures playlist

I'd further guess that philosophy lectures also dont tell you anything about how people learn.

MrsHamlet · 18/04/2023 21:19

There's a world of difference between watching a video of something you are interested in, and learning from it, and "watching" online learning.

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:19

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:18

I'd hazard a guess that a lecutre about Calculus doesn't really tell you much about how people learn.

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Then you need lectures on how to learn before you begin learning, but if people have already been taught how to learn at school then they can use YouTube to continue their learning.

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 21:23

I think we've solved the recruitment and retention crisis in education: YouTube for everyone.

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:24

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:19

Then you need lectures on how to learn before you begin learning, but if people have already been taught how to learn at school then they can use YouTube to continue their learning.

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I think that perhaps you are missing the point that lectures, like videos are a very poor way of learning.
Which is perhaps why OU Department of Education (you know experts in educating people in how to teach) generally don't lecture on their courses.

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:24

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 21:23

I think we've solved the recruitment and retention crisis in education: YouTube for everyone.

It's certainly a good start, we need an army of Sheldon Cooper style individuals

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noblegiraffe · 18/04/2023 21:25

University is also not school and school children do not (or rather should not) be lectured at.

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Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:26

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:24

I think that perhaps you are missing the point that lectures, like videos are a very poor way of learning.
Which is perhaps why OU Department of Education (you know experts in educating people in how to teach) generally don't lecture on their courses.

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Humans have been studying and learning years before we had all the modern "expert" ways of learning, and just because someone is "expert" does not mean that they are all wise and all knowing etc

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:26

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 21:23

I think we've solved the recruitment and retention crisis in education: YouTube for everyone.

But not the apparent crisis in maths skills in school leavers. Although I suppose like Rishi those proponents of youtube aren't actually interested in maths skills.

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:27

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:26

Humans have been studying and learning years before we had all the modern "expert" ways of learning, and just because someone is "expert" does not mean that they are all wise and all knowing etc

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Did these humans do that learning from youtube videos?

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:29

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:27

Did these humans do that learning from youtube videos?

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That's certainly an intriguing dissertation project.

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:29

*to study how the various education systems evolved over time from the dawn of humanity

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:31

Hawkins003 · 18/04/2023 21:29

*to study how the various education systems evolved over time from the dawn of humanity

Helpfully there are already experts who study how people learn, and they then pass on that learning to others who go on to teach. Amazing what goes on in teacher training, and strangely lectures and youtube videos don't feature much.

cantkeepawayforever · 18/04/2023 21:39

The difference between subject knowledge and pedagogy is possibly clearest at the very start iif a child’s school journey:

”I can read, so of course I need to kniw nothing else to beable to efficiently teach 30 4-5 year old of all abilities to read” said no Reception teacher ever.

MrsHerculePoirot · 18/04/2023 21:40

I’m getting a very strong flashback of this exact conversation last night 🤣🤣🤣

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 21:43

The difference between subject knowledge and pedagogy is possibly clearest at the very start iif a child’s school journey:

”I can read, so of course I need to kniw nothing else to beable to efficiently teach 30 4-5 year old of all abilities to read” said no Reception teacher ever
Very true!

The need to downplay the knowledge and experience of specialists in their areas is depressing and says a lot about how education has been allowed to become a political football.

How have we got to a point where stick YouTube on, give some tips on the knowledge, and have anyone delivering Maths to 18 year olds would be presented as a credible idea for educating?

Palomabalom · 18/04/2023 21:45

Lulu1919 · 17/04/2023 21:25

It's going to divide the country

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only a fraction of schools will be able to pull this off

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:46

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 21:43

The difference between subject knowledge and pedagogy is possibly clearest at the very start iif a child’s school journey:

”I can read, so of course I need to kniw nothing else to beable to efficiently teach 30 4-5 year old of all abilities to read” said no Reception teacher ever
Very true!

The need to downplay the knowledge and experience of specialists in their areas is depressing and says a lot about how education has been allowed to become a political football.

How have we got to a point where stick YouTube on, give some tips on the knowledge, and have anyone delivering Maths to 18 year olds would be presented as a credible idea for educating?

Its another demonstration in case we needed it of how little the current government and their fans care about the people of this country.

jgw1 · 18/04/2023 21:47

Palomabalom · 18/04/2023 21:45

only a fraction of schools will be able to pull this off

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Which should integrate them all.

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