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To ask school why DS was told there are 72 genders?

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Ersorrywhatnow · 17/04/2023 16:14

DS - 13 - came home from school & said he had a ‘weird’ Philosophy & Ethics lesson led by a new-ish ( non-binary/trans) teacher where they discussed sexuality and gender and 72 genders were mentioned. They covered some of the ‘main’ ones like pansexual, bisexual, trans etc

I told DS that there’s not 72 bloody genders. But am curious as to what materials were used, where they came from and whether or not this was a genuine discussion as DS said it was stated as fact. So for example
When they discuss Judaism or other religions the teachers don’t state ‘god exists’ they talk about belief systems and how they are similar, how they’re different etc

it sounded like this lesson was more - this is fact.

or so I just leave it, knowing that DS is sensible, and knows that gay, trans, bi etc people exist in the world and that’s fine ask the school what the lesson was exactly?

I’m gay, BTW, so this isn’t some anti LGBTQ thing

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Cherrysherbet · 17/04/2023 20:16

What an absolute waste of valuable learning time.

Jeez, it’s such a load of nonsense.

itsgettingweird · 17/04/2023 20:20

caringcarer · 17/04/2023 16:22

They can have as many genders as they like as long as only 2 biological sexes.

Love this response!

Gender is a social construct. So I guess you can have any type of gender you want.

Not entirely sure how you get 72 of the feckers but I have heard there's 72 before.

Polycarp · 17/04/2023 20:21

There are only two genders
Male and female

saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 20:23

The definitions of these genders describe personality, not gender.

The worlds gone mad.

Everyone wants to be special, different, unique.

I think I'm going to identify as 'unclassified'. There, done. Now they can all shut t f up.

itsgettingweird · 17/04/2023 20:26

EmpressaurusOfCats · 17/04/2023 17:22

Ash might well also believe that being gay is about being ‘same gender’ rather than same sex attracted and that lesbians can have penises. Which is an explicitly homophobic view IMO.

Did you know that according to Nancy Kelley of Stonewall, lesbians who aren’t open to relationships with the opposite sex are ‘sexual racists’, OP?

Eh? Hang on a minute....

How the bleeding fuck can you be homosexual attracted to the opposite sex?

saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 20:27

It would actually be hilarious to get a massive group of people who all choose random pronouns/made up genders and see how well they all fair at communicating without being offended, offending someone, crying, pouting, getting riled up. It will all end in tears - how the hell do these people play a game of monopoly?

piratypotato · 17/04/2023 20:29

TheKeatingFive · 17/04/2023 19:04

Here is the link to one of the lists, but there is no cakegender or catgender

https://72gender.com/72-genders-list

Christ, what insufferable bollocks

I just did the test. It made not the slightest bit of sense and then did not tell me what my gender was.

So that's great.

itsgettingweird · 17/04/2023 20:29

Polycarp · 17/04/2023 20:21

There are only two genders
Male and female

They are sexes.

Gender is a social construct and basically describes what culturally a stereotypical sex male and stereotypical sex female do, wear, act etc.

piratypotato · 17/04/2023 20:30

Polycarp · 17/04/2023 20:21

There are only two genders
Male and female

There are only two SEXES. Male and female.

Gender is irrelevant nonsense.

Fixed that for you

FourTeaFallOut · 17/04/2023 20:31

How the bleeding fuck can you be homosexual attracted to the opposite sex?

You just have to really, really, really #bekind the gay away.

MushMonster · 17/04/2023 20:34

72 genders!
The meaning of the word gender is disappearing in front of our eyes! At this rate, we will need another new word with 150 subsets!
I am "cake gender" too LOL I liked this one from a previous poster.
I do not like this of "people whose biological sex matches their gender are priviledged".
Well, I do not see how. Surely luckier that someone who goes under the knive to look more like other sex, it has to be hard. But where does the priviledge comes from?

Vitriolinsanity · 17/04/2023 20:38

@WickedSerious that would be ginder Grin

Mischance · 17/04/2023 20:38

Well my concern would be this: a new-ish ( non-binary/trans) teacher ........

What business do teachers have telling their pupils about their sexuality? - it has zilch to do with their education and is the business of the teacher alone.

He/she should just get on with teaching their subject. The pupils do not need to know anything at all about their personal life, and it is deeply unprofessional if they have brought this up with their class.

saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 20:40

I just tried to read the definitions of the 72 genders - I only got to about 14 and if any child/teen with a slight feeling of 'who am I' reads that and tries to fit one of them it's gonna cause serious mental health issues and anxiety right there. What a mind fuck for kids they are creating. Absolute pile of

Vitriolinsanity · 17/04/2023 20:44

I do like the wee Pantene colour charts that match the many, many genders. I would pick one that goes with my HOC which is summer.

WickedSerious · 17/04/2023 20:46

Vitriolinsanity · 17/04/2023 20:38

@WickedSerious that would be ginder Grin

In that case I'm ginder fluid.

bridgetreilly · 17/04/2023 20:48

Ask the head if they can list them all.

HelloNetMums · 17/04/2023 20:55

Soontobe60 · 17/04/2023 17:51

Id be sending them a strongly worded email - if they’re claiming that bisexual is a gender, what other absolute lies / nonsense / bollox are they teaching them?

Do not shrug it off and accept this is okay! I 100% agree with this comment, email the school and get answers.

People need to start speaking up about this nonsense!

JacquelinePot · 17/04/2023 21:00

I thought the government had told schools to stop teaching kids this nonsense?

Complain to the school.

Ersorrywhatnow · 17/04/2023 21:00

'What business do teachers have telling their pupils about their sexuality? - it has zilch to do with their education and is the business of the teacher alone.

He/she should just get on with teaching their subject. The pupils do not need to know anything at all about their personal life, and it is deeply unprofessional if they have brought this up with their class.'

They haven't, it was in a lesson around sexuality and gender. The teacher didn't talk about themselves other than the request to be called Ash rather than sir or miss or Mr whatvewr or Ms Whatever.
But I suppose as some who looks like they're transitioning from male to female or at least are non-binary and dress as such it's obvious to the pupils.
Just like my lovely PE teacher mate looks like the butch lesbian she is - she doesn't have to tell her football team anything, they're probably already pretty clued into the fact she's married to a woman not a guy

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Ersorrywhatnow · 17/04/2023 21:02

'Id be sending them a strongly worded email - if they’re claiming that bisexual is a gender, what other absolute lies / nonsense / bollox are they teaching them?'

It's a good school. I've emailed, partly because I'm getting a 13 year olds interpretation. Though I have speficially questioned telling a bunch of year 8s they have 'cis-privilege.'

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saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 21:02

JacquelinePot · 17/04/2023 21:00

I thought the government had told schools to stop teaching kids this nonsense?

Complain to the school.

better still - write to your MP

That's what I'll be doing if this bullshit starts at my sons school

JacquelinePot · 17/04/2023 21:04

saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 21:02

better still - write to your MP

That's what I'll be doing if this bullshit starts at my sons school

Good shout. And the school governors, and anyone else you can think of!

HelloNetMums · 17/04/2023 21:06

saythebellsofstclements · 17/04/2023 21:02

better still - write to your MP

That's what I'll be doing if this bullshit starts at my sons school

100%

JudgeJ · 17/04/2023 21:11

Ersorrywhatnow · 17/04/2023 16:38

Given the teacher, Ash, told them that anyone who identifies with the gender that matches their biology makes them ‘ privileged’ I feel there’s a bit of an agenda, but the teacher isn’t the Phil/ethics teacher normally. They do another subject usually.

Definitely sounds like a teacher with a drum to bang, tell your son to ignore this, there'll be another bandwagon along soon. and another drum to bang.