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Getting frustrated to be needing photo ID.

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Soubriquet · 17/04/2023 09:24

I don’t have a drivers license as I don’t drive. I don’t have a passport as I can’t afford to travel. I also never bothered with photo ID because I don’t drink or smoke.

This seems to be changing lately. Birth certificate and marriage certificates aren’t enough. More places require a photo ID which is a pita for me as it’s an expense I shouldn’t have to fork out for.

Yes, I know it’s better for security and stuff but it’s annoying.

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mamabear715 · 20/04/2023 18:26

So, from what I've read here, a citizens card isn't really worth having?

RampantIvy · 20/04/2023 19:04

That's the impression I get from reading about far too many students not being able to use it as proof of age when trying to buy a drink @mamabear715. It seems like the gold standard is a driving licence or passport.

I agree that we really do need a suitable alternative that is accepted everywhere

Emigratingimmigrant · 20/04/2023 19:12

I think there is 5 on par with citizencard.
Considering they are risking lecences if they serve underage, I can see why they don't want to accept these.

Laughingravy · 21/04/2023 01:05

Emigratingimmigrant · 20/04/2023 13:39

The chip in ID wouldn't really have more info than modern passport... Afaik it's the same NFC chip with same or very similar info. The NFC chip just helps to transfer infor (which is printed on the card anyway) and check for duplicate cards (in case of fraud). It also works as verification into online gov accounts etc.

If someone is happy to have passport or DL I am not sure what the issue is with ID...

The card was to be part of the National Identity Register. And the card chip would have our fingerprints encoded on it. And you'd would have had to pay to have your fingerprints taken and to get the card.

The register legislation allowed for fingerprints, a digitised facial scan and iris scan, current and past British and overseas places of residence of all residents of the UK throughout their lives and indexes to other Government databases (including National Insurance Number)

It was also proposed that over 250 govt depts would have access to the database as well as thousands of accredited private sector organisations.

The current situation is a muddle but that ID card wasn't the answer.

RampantIvy · 21/04/2023 07:16

I think there is 5 on par with citizencard.

Sorry, I don't know what this means.

Emigratingimmigrant · 21/04/2023 07:17

Laughingravy · 21/04/2023 01:05

The card was to be part of the National Identity Register. And the card chip would have our fingerprints encoded on it. And you'd would have had to pay to have your fingerprints taken and to get the card.

The register legislation allowed for fingerprints, a digitised facial scan and iris scan, current and past British and overseas places of residence of all residents of the UK throughout their lives and indexes to other Government databases (including National Insurance Number)

It was also proposed that over 250 govt depts would have access to the database as well as thousands of accredited private sector organisations.

The current situation is a muddle but that ID card wasn't the answer.

They know this anyway if you have any biometric id like passport or visa

mamabear715 · 21/04/2023 12:07

Thank you, @RampantIvy

Emigratingimmigrant · 21/04/2023 12:34

RampantIvy · 21/04/2023 07:16

I think there is 5 on par with citizencard.

Sorry, I don't know what this means.

I forgot to answer. Sorry.
There appear to be 5 or so cards which are advertised as id like citizen card is. So it's a bit if a mess I guess hence why places don't want to accept these

RampantIvy · 21/04/2023 12:46

Thank you @Emigratingimmigrant. I didn't know there were any others.

Neededanewuserhandle · 21/04/2023 13:14

Emigratingimmigrant · 21/04/2023 07:17

They know this anyway if you have any biometric id like passport or visa

No they don't - the proposed UK ID card was much more.

Alondra · 21/04/2023 13:39

Emigratingimmigrant · 21/04/2023 07:17

They know this anyway if you have any biometric id like passport or visa

And hopefully are aware that if you own an iPhone with a fingerprint recognition, it can end up in the hands of a third country?

Emigratingimmigrant · 21/04/2023 14:05

Neededanewuserhandle · 21/04/2023 13:14

No they don't - the proposed UK ID card was much more.

Tbh I look at it as immigrant who had to fill up so much info they do know all that actually. Yes, I can see why I am meh about it.

Still know less than amazon probably 😂

I would love if they had something unifoed so I wouldn't have to keep giving same info to different places.

ColdMeg · 21/04/2023 14:38

Comedycook · 19/04/2023 06:42

I heard an expert on the radio a while ago who basically described how it's virtually impossible to commit voter fraud in any meaningful way as to fix the results. As in going into a polling booth and pretending to be someone else... bringing in photo id is fixing a problem which doesn't exist. It's absolutely outrageous and I'm surprised more people aren't up in arms about it.

That is not how most voter fraud occurs. People don't pretend to be other people in the polling booth.

Almost all voter fraud in Britain is done either through misuse of proxy voting, or through harvesting postal votes and either returning them in batches to polling stations on polling day or posting them back. This is why the law is due to change next year so that postal voters will have to reconfirm their postal vote every three years and supply photo id as part of this reconfirmation.

To facilitate this postal vote reconfirmation process, they have had to bring in polling station voting id on polling day too. They have also changed the law on proxy voting too, limiting it to five.

And yes, postal vote tampering and fraud, and misuse of proxy voting, is enough to fix results. In some cases, particularly local elections, you may only need a handful of fraudulent postal votes to return a specific candidate (and that's easily done if you have knowledge and access to a HMO, a care home or a residential home, and filter through the post for people who are no longer in residence, or you are a landlord with a lot of rental properties). I have known a number of cases where it was clear that postal vote harvesting had run into significant numbers.

You can always tell where there is a problem when ballot boxes turn over at verification and they are full of postal votes that have been returned to a polling station on polling day.

It does happen, and, in some areas, it is a serious problem.

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