Getting frustrated to be needing photo ID.

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I don’t have a drivers license as I don’t drive. I don’t have a passport as I can’t afford to travel. I also never bothered with photo ID because I don’t drink or smoke.

This seems to be changing lately. Birth certificate and marriage certificates aren’t enough. More places require a photo ID which is a pita for me as it’s an expense I shouldn’t have to fork out for.

Yes, I know it’s better for security and stuff but it’s annoying.

What is your understanding of right to work?

I don't know what to tell you. The UK Government says this is acceptable to prove your right to work in the UK. Perhaps if you disagree you should contact them instead of arguing here that it doesn't prove anything?

I didn't need photo ID to get a mortgage, but I need one to put a cross in a box, when previously I haven't even needed to take my polling card in. Obviously many people who don't drive or have passports are on a lower income, and less likely to vote Conservative, so it's their way of legally rigging an election . I've registered for a postal vote this time.

If your BC shows you were born in the UK or a British overseas territory or have a British parent, then you're a British citizen and have RTW, so that's why it's accepted, in tandem with a NI number proof.

Obviously if you weren't born in the UK or BOT and don't have a British parent, then a BC won't give you RTW and you need something else to prove it.

So, it's what's written on the BC, not just having a BC!

Neither show person being currently allowed to work in UK. It's just weird. But yeah, I accept gov says that's fine.

Unless you bought your home back in the Dark Ages you’ll have needed photo ID - both for the mortgage and for your solicitor. They both absolutely have to see it for money laundering regulations, and have been legally required to check it for years now.

I think this thread shows the folly of the vast number of people who campaigned against identity cards a decade or two ago when they were proposed. "People power" won and the plans were scrapped, but look what we have instead!!

I have to admit I find it extremely weird that people get through life without photo ID .
personally I believe they should be mandatory

That not how it works ? Being born in the U.K. does not give you British nationality or a right to reside or work . In fact having a British parents doesn’t either ! My oldest was born in the U.K. and I have British nationality and he doesn’t . That’s not how nationality works . There is a lot more to it than being born somewhere

People born in UK are not automatically British citizens since 1993 or so. The birth cert also doesn't show whether your parents were settled here or BC. As far as I know you can't determine nationality from BC. That's where my confusion is coming from. But yeah. British gov says it's fine, so it's fine. Do emplyers check some database or is it just the paper they look at?

You need a NI number to work in the UK. This shows you have right to work.

Birth cert provides proof of British Citizenship which gives right to live or work in UK.

No, neither show photo ID, but they are still accepted proof of right to work.

You're confused. Being born in the UK to a UK citizen parent absolutely makes you a UK citizen. If you are born abroad to a UK citizen (who was so from birth) you are also a UK citizen from birth.

I just collate and copy it and pass it to HR.

I don't know if they do any extra checks BUT they can be audited so if they choose not to, then it will be picked up then. Our HR dept are incredible careful so I assume they do!

A British BC doesn’t show you are British and a NI number doesn’t mean you have a right to work . Sorry it’s not that simple

It shows at one point you had RTW.

BC is not proof of citizenship.

Thanks! I did wonder because BC looks incredibly easy to make up so since passports got harder to fake, an amended BC which will never get check is actually logical solution?

As I said above. The UK government says this IS proof of your right to work. How.much simpler can this be?? Argue with them about it!

This feels like it is getting dangerously close to telling you how to fake ID 🤣🤣

Once you have one OP, remember to vote and to vote for someone other that the Tories, please.

People are confusing Nationality with Citizenship. You can change your Nationality by emigration, but if you're born a British Citizen, then you remain a British Citizen for life, regardless of your nationality.

According to Gov.uk and HMRC being a British Citizen gives you the right to work in the UK! So that over-rides your Nationality.

how do you get a bank account without photo ID?

tbh the lack of mandatory photo ID and resistance baffles me. (have lived all over europe and US and you get nowhere without).

No, not confused and I’m a solicitor and a mum of such a citizen . I got my citizenship by descent so it cannot be passed on to others . My son was born in the U.K. prior to me having it and me living here for 5 years so I was not considered settled therefore he has no right to citizenship despite living here since birth for 21 years .
As I said it’s not as simple as most people think .
My youngest on the other hand had it from birth as I was here for longer than 5 years by then .

But being born here doesn't mean you are a citizen

I have my online little code aka Windrush 2.0 so far I am ok. Unless of course HO will lose the data. Then I know what to do😂

I always do. I’ve never voted Tory. Hate them to bits

https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-born-uk#:~:text=You're%20usually%20automatically%20a,or%20'settled'%20in%20the%20UK

"You’re usually automatically a British citizen if you were both:

• born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983
• born when one of your parents was a British citizen or ‘settled’ in the UK"