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AIBU?

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Or is teaching 6 Yr old about crucixation out of order?

386 replies

Whostoblame · 08/04/2023 20:30

I might be over reacting but after multiple nights on the trot sleeping no more than 45-60 mins at a time I'm at the end of my tether. 6 year old goes to a non dom school and we are agnostic/atheist at home. School have been teaching them about Jesus and Easter etc including how Jesus was crucified. I now have a sobbing child every night who can't get the pictures out if her mind (and I'm not surprised!!)and subsequently cant sleep from about midnight, crying. Aibu to complain to school that 6 is way too young to be taught this?!

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Wiltingredrose · 08/04/2023 21:34

I hate that children are taught this. I grew up with this crap and it scars you. The horrible torturous death and being told that your sin killed Jesus. Its such a cruelty to teach children this.

Ashia · 08/04/2023 21:34

YANBU, it isn’t appropriate to teach a 6 year old any method of torturing someone to death. The fact that some people made up a religion which mentions crucifixion is neither here nor there.

Complain to the school. Am sick of British schools teaching horrible stuff to kids too young to deal with it and then wondering why so many British children have mental health problems.

Whydothat · 08/04/2023 21:35

My DS's school went into graphic detail in year one (6 year olds) including how nails were driven through the hands and feet with accompanying images. A few parents stopped their children having RS lessons after this because they are apparently optional.

Flounder2022 · 08/04/2023 21:35

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 21:30

They reckon more people recognise the golden arches than the cross. Make of that what you will.

But why would he need to know what it is. I’m sure he will find out in time.

‘’in Educate Together schools, the Learn Together Ethical Education Curriculum is taught. It includes learning about morality and spirituality; equality and justice; belief systems and an ethical approach to the environment. Learn Together teaches students about different belief systems as well as atheism, agnosticism and humanism, without promoting any one worldview over another.’’

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 21:36

Flounder2022 · 08/04/2023 21:35

But why would he need to know what it is. I’m sure he will find out in time.

‘’in Educate Together schools, the Learn Together Ethical Education Curriculum is taught. It includes learning about morality and spirituality; equality and justice; belief systems and an ethical approach to the environment. Learn Together teaches students about different belief systems as well as atheism, agnosticism and humanism, without promoting any one worldview over another.’’

I wasn't suggesting he needs to! Just musing, really...

kickupafuss · 08/04/2023 21:36

I have taught 6 year olds and we didn't teach the Easter story - we left it to the older year groups.

Tellmethespoiler · 08/04/2023 21:36

Ashia · 08/04/2023 21:34

YANBU, it isn’t appropriate to teach a 6 year old any method of torturing someone to death. The fact that some people made up a religion which mentions crucifixion is neither here nor there.

Complain to the school. Am sick of British schools teaching horrible stuff to kids too young to deal with it and then wondering why so many British children have mental health problems.

Do you not acknowledge Bonfire Night either?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/04/2023 21:37

Newname221 · 08/04/2023 21:03

To be honest, not necessarily. The crucifix is predominantly used in Catholicism. Other Christian denominations usually use an empty cross.

CofE have them, too. Looking back, I suppose it was what's now called High Church or Anglo Catholicism, but at the time, it was just the bog standard local one where we did Brownies and Cubs, Church Parade, kids got Christened, that kind of thing.

Saschka · 08/04/2023 21:37

Monday morning I had a steam of complaining parents telling me of nightmares, sobbing children, a few thought baby Jesus had been nailed to a cross

Yep DS was totally confused why “a woman” (adult Christ with long hair) was “stuck to the ceiling” (on a cross) in a cathedral we visited. I told him it was Jesus, he laughed as scornfully as only a four year old can, and told me not to be ridiculous, Jesus was a baby.

Ponderingwindow · 08/04/2023 21:37

Have you made clear to her that the school is teaching mythology. is the school making that clear?

yes, crucifixion as a historical punishment did exist, but without the rest of the myth surrounding it, would it really be given so much focus in the curriculum?

have you read other non-Christian myths with your child? It might help put these into context.

JudgeRudy · 08/04/2023 21:38

I don't think l was a particularly 'sensitive' kid (didn't cry at ET or Bambi) but when we sang 'There is a green hill far away...' I could feel a mighty big lump in my throat picturing Jesus on the cross.
I don't believe in 'The Son of God' etc but I do think there probably was a bloke called Jesus and that he was crucified for his beliefs.
Wasn't bothered in the least about Henry Vllls wives getting their heads chopped off or all the world Wars but I also go very upset seeing vintage footage of water canons used on Black Demonstrators.
I think the visual image with the bleeding hands and often blood from the thorny crown, its quite graphic. I don't remember being particularly joyous that 'he rose again' because I didn't believe that. Maybe if you have a faith it makes a difference.

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 21:38

Ashia · 08/04/2023 21:34

YANBU, it isn’t appropriate to teach a 6 year old any method of torturing someone to death. The fact that some people made up a religion which mentions crucifixion is neither here nor there.

Complain to the school. Am sick of British schools teaching horrible stuff to kids too young to deal with it and then wondering why so many British children have mental health problems.

So thick uneducated. Some people made up a religion. I'm embarrassed for you.

JudgeJ · 08/04/2023 21:38

AlexandriasWindmill · 08/04/2023 21:22

It's always 'nice' to have an anti-Christianity thread on Easter weekend. Hmm Funny how it never happens about other religions on their key dates.

Because anyone taking a pop at other religions gets put on the MN naughty step.

Saschka · 08/04/2023 21:39

Tellmethespoiler · 08/04/2023 21:36

Do you not acknowledge Bonfire Night either?

Bonfire Night is about celebrating the prevention of blowing up of Parliament. You can easily skip over the hanging drawing and quartering part. Unless you live in Lewes, nobody is sticking effigies on the actual bonfire any more, it’s just fireworks and a bbq.

niugboo · 08/04/2023 21:39

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/04/2023 21:23

@niugboo

Like what? What am I doing wrong? Please enlighten me.

It’s nothing you’re doing wrong. It just happens.

Flounder2022 · 08/04/2023 21:40

Waitymatey · 08/04/2023 21:33

@Flounder2022 - where did you get it from, at such short notice, on Easter Saturday ?
And why does he think he is off school ?

Eh I used google.

He knows he's off school for Easter.

ChickenDhansak82 · 08/04/2023 21:40

It's a story.

Just like red riding hood where a wolf eats an old lady and they slice him open.

Or jack and the beanstalk with evil giants.

Or hansel and grettel where a witch gets cooked in an oven.

You are completely over reacting and need to explain to your child it is a story.

cupofteaandabiccyplease · 08/04/2023 21:40

sailing paganism about being evil? We do not devil worship and things like that. Pagans do not believe in the devil that is a christian belief we do not recognise that. Satanist are a different thing all together.
We celebrate life and nature, it is pretty much the first environmental religion and many religions have been based on it.
Many churchs have a green man in them and that is a pagan image.

Thindog · 08/04/2023 21:41

No child should be subjected to graphic accounts of torture and violence, I clearly remember a teacher telling us about the whipping of Jesus with a cat o nine tails, and demonstrating with a torn roll of newspaper.
It really did disturb and upset me, and especially as she then told us that we had caused this by our sins! Even at six years old I knew they couldn't pin that one on me as I wasn't even alive then.
So, whilst children may need to know about the main points of Christianity, including the fact of the crucifixion, going into graphic detail may be really harmful to a child's peace of mind.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 08/04/2023 21:41

Ooh look yet another goady bitchplop OP

Tarantellah · 08/04/2023 21:43

Does your child think it’s real? Perhaps you need to emphasise that it’s just a story and it’s not true, any more than Paw Patrol is true.

Flounder2022 · 08/04/2023 21:43

ReadersD1gest · 08/04/2023 21:36

I wasn't suggesting he needs to! Just musing, really...

And he definitely knows the Golden Arches!! Along with every other fast food logo!! 😂

Sortyourlifeout · 08/04/2023 21:43

Newname221 · 08/04/2023 21:31

Not true. Most Protestant churches don’t use crucifixes.

This is correct and I was going to say the same.

My church has a big cross but not with Jesus on it.

Mischance · 08/04/2023 21:43

I was TERRIFIED of the stations of the cross on the walls of the school chapel - I hated going in there.

If we are going to teach small children about crucifixion then hand in hand with that goes fear and horror - if we want to present some sort of bland version of it to prevent this, then it misses the point. Therefore - do NOT teach it at all.

Why we burden our children with this I do not know - and if a child is not horrified by it then they have a problem with empathy.

Just stop it - and absolutely stop it in state-funded schools of all kinds. When learning about different religions then it can be stated that Jesus was killed and why and that Christians believe he came back to life; but all this death-cult-style emphasis on crucifixion is frankly utterly bizarre.

Waitymatey · 08/04/2023 21:44

@Flounder2022 - The crucifixion is part of Easter.
what does he know about Easter?