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AIBU to think that people who rape or murder children should not ever be released from prison

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redglobox · 05/04/2023 16:09

Reading about yet another man who raped and murdered a child being released from prison.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941953/Child-killer-raped-murdered-seven-year-old-niece-released-45-years-bars.html#comments-11941953

Just like Colin Pitchford before him.

Surely the vast majority of us think that if a person rapes or murders a child they should never be released.

Who makes the rules that allow this? Who wants this? Who thinks this is the right thing to do? This isn't justice. I can't imagine how the victim's family feel seeing him walking from jail free. Life should mean life.

(For what it's worth, I'll be writing to my MP again to say, again, that these people should get life without the possibility of parole)

Monster who raped and murdered his seven-year-old niece is released

In 1977 Peter Chester raped and murdered his niece Donna Marie while she slept in her bed. The monster was given life but today he's a free man serving 45-years and gaining parole.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941953/Child-killer-raped-murdered-seven-year-old-niece-released-45-years-bars.html#comments-11941953

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Thedogscollar · 05/04/2023 22:09

Hell OP YADNBU.
For the 10% that think you are. What the hell is wrong with you??

ShipSpace · 05/04/2023 22:10

Come off it. If they got on with the job in hand without years waiting between appeals then most of those costs wouldn’t exist!

Tbird5 · 05/04/2023 22:13

FamilyLife2point4 · 05/04/2023 16:14

Put them on an island together - hunger games style!!! Let them kill each other off - justice plus no expense for tax payers.

Completely agree x

PortiasBiscuit · 05/04/2023 22:14

If you were truly remorseful then you would be unable to forgive yourself, you would welcome being punished your whole life as an attempt to atone for what you had done.If you think you should get out, then you really do not understand the enormity of your crime

Iam4eels · 05/04/2023 22:14

Stats are online and easily available with even the most cursory of Googling. The death penalty costs exponentially more than life imprisonment and it is not a deterrent. It also disproportionately impact boys/men from ethic minorities, poor socio-economic backgrounds, and those with learning disabilities/neurodevelopment conditions. If you are a young black man from a por background with ADHD then you're basically fucked if you end up on trial for murder, particularly if your crime was against a white person. It's a shit system and is not justice, it's purely about revenge and is state sanctioned murder.

Hobbes8 · 05/04/2023 22:21

Given the case of the child rapist who was sentenced this week to community fucking service, I’d settle for them being sent to prison in the first place.

Sorryyoufeelthatway · 05/04/2023 22:22

why would suicide watch be needed?
i don’t care if my taxes go up to pay for them. Don’t keep these “things” on death
row for 20 years. One appeal and done.

Sorryyoufeelthatway · 05/04/2023 22:24

Most child killers and paedos in the UK are white so no need to bring AA’s into it. Just get rid of them. Every freaking week you read about some “step father” mum’s boyfriend killing a child. These people do not
deserve to live.

JMSA · 05/04/2023 22:25

It would be better to put them down. They have no place in our society.

Proudofitbabe · 05/04/2023 22:26

Yes agreed. And if someone wanted to off him there'd be no complaints from me. Arrogant twat sued for the right to vote as well. Must have been bored in prison and was duly indulged with taxpayer money just to take the piss out of the system. Infuriating what lowlife get away with.

Nigvor · 05/04/2023 22:29

Death penalty always sounds quite satisfying in theory but then you look at countries that have it and you wouldn't want to live in them. In the USA for eg in a lot of cases it's legalised lynching of young black men.

Re sentencing, it is actually pretty carefully considered here in the UK and in general law and order/public safety/incidence of violent crime is better in places where you have complex and thought through sentencing guidelines.

I mean I get the anger but I'm glad that angry people aren't in charge of our criminal justice system.

Iam4eels · 05/04/2023 22:30

Justice needs to be emotionless because hard cases make bad law.

Iam4eels · 05/04/2023 22:31

Sorryyoufeelthatway · 05/04/2023 22:22

why would suicide watch be needed?
i don’t care if my taxes go up to pay for them. Don’t keep these “things” on death
row for 20 years. One appeal and done.

To what end? Will it bring their victim back to life or suddenly heal the pain of the family?

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:33

I can think of several cases where men have been released from jail after commiting serious offenses against children and have gone on to do the same again or escalated.
Letting them out condemns more children and their families to the worst things that can happen.

Keep them locked up, kill them, I don't care, just don't bloody release them. And as a PP has said, it would be nice if some of them made it to jail in the first fucking place.

Oh and I don't believe sex offenders can be rehabilitated. I think that's naive nonsense.

bellsbuss · 05/04/2023 22:34

Death penalty for those crimes

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:34

To what end? Will it bring their victim back to life or suddenly heal the pain of the family?

It means they can't ever be released to make more victims or cause the same pain to another family. So there's that.

Iam4eels · 05/04/2023 22:35

Life in prison serves the same purpose.

Hopelesscynic · 05/04/2023 22:35

FamilyLife2point4 · 05/04/2023 16:14

Put them on an island together - hunger games style!!! Let them kill each other off - justice plus no expense for tax payers.

I've always said something along these lines.

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:37

Life in prison serves the same purpose

As long as they're then kept in prison. If the fucker in the OP had been done away with the family wouldn't be suffering the pain of his release now.

Nigvor · 05/04/2023 22:41

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:34

To what end? Will it bring their victim back to life or suddenly heal the pain of the family?

It means they can't ever be released to make more victims or cause the same pain to another family. So there's that.

If not them someone else though. There are men who do terrible things, all over the place. Locking one up just locks one up. You're not any safer in regard to the others who haven't been caught yet.

This 'streets are safer now ' is a false narrative. I noticed it with the whole Peter Sutcliffe thing and it's become normalised to talk that way since : this feeling that women everywhere should watch themselves because of this one guy and then when he was caught suddenly we're all grand because that changes everything. It doesn't and didn't. Streets are streets and men are violent everywhere and women and children are killed and raped by them every day.

Badbudgeter · 05/04/2023 22:42

proppy · 05/04/2023 18:05

Put them on an island together - hunger games style!!! Let them kill each other off - justice plus no expense for tax payers.

I'd vote for it!

Me too. Sell the tv rights we’d probably make a profit.

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:42

I'm not sure what you're saying - so what, we don't bother to lock any of them up? It might only be an infintisimal amount overall but taking one violent, raping murderer out of the equation is still better than having them roaming free.
Not to mention the family's feelings in these cases. They need the sense of justice and closure.

ShipSpace · 05/04/2023 22:44

Nigvor · 05/04/2023 22:41

If not them someone else though. There are men who do terrible things, all over the place. Locking one up just locks one up. You're not any safer in regard to the others who haven't been caught yet.

This 'streets are safer now ' is a false narrative. I noticed it with the whole Peter Sutcliffe thing and it's become normalised to talk that way since : this feeling that women everywhere should watch themselves because of this one guy and then when he was caught suddenly we're all grand because that changes everything. It doesn't and didn't. Streets are streets and men are violent everywhere and women and children are killed and raped by them every day.

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Hopelesscynic · 05/04/2023 22:45

Nigvor · 05/04/2023 22:29

Death penalty always sounds quite satisfying in theory but then you look at countries that have it and you wouldn't want to live in them. In the USA for eg in a lot of cases it's legalised lynching of young black men.

Re sentencing, it is actually pretty carefully considered here in the UK and in general law and order/public safety/incidence of violent crime is better in places where you have complex and thought through sentencing guidelines.

I mean I get the anger but I'm glad that angry people aren't in charge of our criminal justice system.

"Carefully considered"?
The Criminal Justice system in the UK (much like social services) is a f-ing joke! "Life" doesn't mean life, horrific crimes get short sentences, violent criminals get paroled out just to go back to the community and commit the same type of heinous crimes.

Iam4eels · 05/04/2023 22:45

FrostyFifi · 05/04/2023 22:42

I'm not sure what you're saying - so what, we don't bother to lock any of them up? It might only be an infintisimal amount overall but taking one violent, raping murderer out of the equation is still better than having them roaming free.
Not to mention the family's feelings in these cases. They need the sense of justice and closure.

State sanctioned murder isn't justice, it's revenge and it serves no purpose. It does not bring closure and studies have shown it actually has the opposite effect and harms the healing process.

Life imprisonment should mean life imprisonment, just because someone doesn't support the death penalty doesn't mean they think criminals should be wandering free.