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That Absolutely Amazing Woman

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MrsJackRackham · 02/04/2023 13:27

I've just read about the woman who gave evidence against the killer of Olivia Pratt-Korbel. What a fucking brave and phenomenal woman. She will have to go into witness protection and leave her whole life behind but she knew it was the right thing to do. And she gave the defence lawyer a mouthful as well by the sounds of it.
I could actually cry thinking about her.

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RosaBonheur · 04/04/2023 07:20

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 20:20

I feel the same OP.

I am from Liverpool and she has the city apart from the scum absolutely behind her.

We don't like people who grass on their neighbours, granted. We absolutely support those who testify against drug dealing murderous bellends.

Shame on his barrister. There is no amount of money in the world that would incite a person with a modicum of moral integrity to defend such heinous actions.

Absolutely commending that woman's courage this evening. Bravo if you are reading this 👏

Criminal barristers don't get to pick and choose who they represent. It's called the cab rank rule, look it up.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/04/2023 07:20

BlackBarbies · 04/04/2023 04:18

The thread has been derailed to the point where you can barely see comments responding to the OP. How annoying

Hardly. Op posted once
Threads like conversation develop and it’s in response to who posts,who responds
The issue regards the role of barristers was actually illuminating

Barbecuebeans · 04/04/2023 07:24

EveYorkshire · 03/04/2023 23:40

The towering intellect attempt to project comes across as 'mansplaining' - you do know that, don't you?

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I agree EveYorkshire. Thanks for your posts. You saved me some time.

And incurred the passive aggressive wrath of the PP 🤣.

Well done for pulling out. Those types will bang on for ever (waits for being called sweetie, asked what's wrong with me etc 🙄)

Sairk · 04/04/2023 07:29

The most loved OW on Mumsnet. I think the support for her is fabulous. She did this at huge personal loss.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/04/2023 07:30

Barbecuebeans · 04/04/2023 07:24

I agree EveYorkshire. Thanks for your posts. You saved me some time.

And incurred the passive aggressive wrath of the PP 🤣.

Well done for pulling out. Those types will bang on for ever (waits for being called sweetie, asked what's wrong with me etc 🙄)

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To clarify,I’m being patently clear in my rebuke.
Hang on in there if you can - According to @EveYorkshire I am imminently about to be banned

Barbecuebeans · 04/04/2023 07:32

But back to the point, the witness was incredibly brave.

I'm hoping the change in circumstances will ultimately make her life easier. She deserves it and has single handedly provided the slightest bit of consolation to Olivia's family.

AllOfThemWitches · 04/04/2023 07:39

And pray tell, how did your first post sound, if not really reasonable, but at least like it came from a normal-ish person living in 2023 and then morph onto some kind of Dickensian badly worded script? Half of your words were not used in context and a lot of your sentences did not make sense. You have no grasp of the English language, of how the legal system works or how valuable both prosecution and defence barristers'work is.

What an unnecessarily nasty post...

RosaBonheur · 04/04/2023 07:40

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Puffinpanic · 04/04/2023 07:45

determinedtomakethiswork · 03/04/2023 22:07

That woman has obviously done the right thing and will have a tough life as a result. However she was sleeping with a married violent drug dealer, let's not forget that.

My goodness, that’s the Mumsnet hatred of OW taken to another level! When you lot bang on about OW being morally bankrupt and irredeemably bad, you really do mean it, don’t you?

Even extraordinary acts of courage, that lead to her abandoning her whole life, and living under the threat of being murdered for the rest of her days, out of justice and compassion for a bereaved mother don’t mean shit compared to having once being an OW.

Notellinganyone · 04/04/2023 07:45

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 21:27

How?

I called shame on his barrister.
And it is indeed a shame to provide a defence for such a person 's actions.

That is literally a barrister’s job and how the justice system works.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/04/2023 07:46

That’s really unnecessarily harsh regarding @HotSince82 Threads go in the direction posters take them. Much like a conversation it flows & develops

The Op posted once didn’t return.

AllOfThemWitches · 04/04/2023 07:46

I do agree in a small way that sometimes the justice system leans a bit too far towards advantaging the charged person.

Because, overall, it's considered 'better' for a guilty man to walk free than an innocent one to be locked up.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/04/2023 07:47

My 7:46 reply is to @RosaBonheur

AngelinaFibres · 04/04/2023 07:48

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 21:27

How?

I called shame on his barrister.
And it is indeed a shame to provide a defence for such a person 's actions.

A trial has to have a prosecution barrister and a defence barrister in order to actually take place. You do know thst don't you ?

Goodadvice1980 · 04/04/2023 07:50

Yes, the woman was very brave and totally did the right thing. I think a lot of underworld figures are equally disgusted by the killers actions.

Have read there’s a £250k bounty on his head, so not sure how long he’ll last in prison.

AllOfThemWitches · 04/04/2023 07:54

AngelinaFibres · 04/04/2023 07:48

A trial has to have a prosecution barrister and a defence barrister in order to actually take place. You do know thst don't you ?

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I disagree with the idea that barristers should be ashamed of themselves. However, people are acting as though no one has ever asked the question 'how do they sleep at night' before. It could have been an interesting and informative discussion but people cannot resist a pile on, on here. It's a bit pathetic really.

Puffinpanic · 04/04/2023 08:03

User8646382 · 04/04/2023 00:06

The girlfriend did the right thing. Not that she had much choice. He knew she knew, so her life was already on the line. I suppose you could call her ‘brave’, but let’s keep things in perspective. The ‘absolutely amazing woman’ here is this poor child’s mother, who had to drag herself into court to relive the horror of what that murdering scumbag did, just to get a bit of justice. I haven’t got much sympathy left for the girlfriend of the scumbag, who knew what he was when she shacked up with him.

I’m glad she shopped him. I doubt whether she was motivated by anything more than self-preservation, but who knows? Maybe she suddenly discovered she had a conscience.

This is nonsense. Her life was not on the line if she kept quiet. It is now though.

taybert · 04/04/2023 08:04

Just as an additional derail for those arguing about the legal system and the morality of barristers, if you ever get the chance to see the play Prima Facie you really should. It’s about a female barrister who is raped. It’s incredible (but it doesn’t provide any answers!)

I can’t stop thinking about the woman who gave evidence and how brave she is. I hope things work out for her.

Zoflorabore · 04/04/2023 08:05

I’m from Liverpool too, live about 10 minutes away from where Olivia was murdered and I don’t know any of the people involved but there are clearly people round here that do and the witness’s first name has been posted on several social media platforms.

She was accused of coming forward for the reward which makes no sense as it wasn’t even known about at the time and also that she was doing it to get even with TC for not leaving his GF for her. It wasn’t obvious to some that she was doing it because she has a conscience and knows she couldn’t keep quiet, and at a huge personal cost.

She is in witness protection now and I hope she is being well looked after but she will have left family behind and these gangsters know everything. The woman is extremely brave and I didn’t realise that she has received tons of death threats but I admittedly l am naive and don’t have anything to do with that side of life.

This is just my opinion clearly but there is no way in my mind that TC was “only” dealing cannabis. Not a chance. The lifestyle afforded to him is the result of big time drug dealing which is probably cocaine. The city has a huge Coke problem which i do see in my own area with drop offs and deals done in broad daylight and from reading about the bigger picture re: the criminal gangs that TC was a part of then it makes even more sense.

This won’t be the end of the story as apparently there is a 250k bounty on TC. He knows far too much. The witness likely knows a lot too and that’s why she’s received threats. I think it’s very sad that her life as she knows it has ended like this and hope she is happy and knows she absolutely did the right thing.

Zone2NorthLondon · 04/04/2023 08:05

taybert · 04/04/2023 08:04

Just as an additional derail for those arguing about the legal system and the morality of barristers, if you ever get the chance to see the play Prima Facie you really should. It’s about a female barrister who is raped. It’s incredible (but it doesn’t provide any answers!)

I can’t stop thinking about the woman who gave evidence and how brave she is. I hope things work out for her.

Yes I saw that with play with Jodie Cromer, really very compelling.

nothingcomestonothing · 04/04/2023 08:06

Wow, I got deleted for saying a PP sounded like a 6th former, and posts calling PP a n*tter are still up! Confused

We don't know much about the woman who testified, we don't know if she was involved in criminality, how much she knew about Cashman's 'job', but I don't think that's the important part. Whoever she is and whatever she's done, she has done the right thing to see justice served at a great personal cost. She's had more threats made against her than any witness Liverpool police have ever dealt with. She's had to abandon her life, family, friends, everything she knows. She is brave and I hope she has a good life.

Clawdy · 04/04/2023 08:07

My friend's father was defence lawyer for a serial killer in the 1960s. He had no idea of the unbelievable nature of the murders until all the details came out, but had to carry on with the case, it was his job. After the killer was found guilty, the newspapers revealed all the dreadful details, and everyone turned against my friend's dad. He had a serious mental breakdown and never worked again.

MayThe4th · 04/04/2023 08:33

I’m not sure that it’s down to hatred of an OW. Personally I could care less whether she was the wife or the OW. The fact is she was knowingly sleeping with a violent drug dealer. She knew who and what he was, and while her knowledge likely didn’t extend to knowing he was about to murder a child, she most likely would have continued to sleep with him had he not murdered that little girl.

By sleeping with a violent drug dealer she was, in fact, endorsing his pastimes, as was the wife who was happy to live off of the proceeds.

Calculater · 04/04/2023 08:37

MayThe4th · 04/04/2023 08:33

I’m not sure that it’s down to hatred of an OW. Personally I could care less whether she was the wife or the OW. The fact is she was knowingly sleeping with a violent drug dealer. She knew who and what he was, and while her knowledge likely didn’t extend to knowing he was about to murder a child, she most likely would have continued to sleep with him had he not murdered that little girl.

By sleeping with a violent drug dealer she was, in fact, endorsing his pastimes, as was the wife who was happy to live off of the proceeds.

She herself has said that a line was crossed when a child was killed. You're right, she knew what he was and was happy to accept it up to that point. Or maybe she was trapped in a life she needed this strong motivation to escape from.

Also, I suspect, an element of a woman scorned...

LemonTT · 04/04/2023 08:43

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:27

I don't mind of you disagree with me but surely you can see that a boxer is only at risk of injuring his opponent?

This is not the case if a barrister is successful in securing a verdict of non guilt for a guilty client. Their victims will suffer. Both on the stand if a witness and undeniably, afterwards.

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But you are the one who says

We don’t like people who grass up neighbours….. We support those who testify against murderous drug dealing bellends.

Don’t you get the moral ambiguity and hypocrisy here. You won’t support the criminal justice system except on your terms. There were lots of stages before the drug dealer murdered someone when interventions could have happened. How are people to know when it is alright to testify.

Barristers aren’t the problem. It’s this mentality.