Who was PM during the best of times for you?

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Me?

Blair. Brown, first bit of Cameron.

On paper I earn more money now but everything's tits up isn't it? From the economy to shit on beaches to being able to get access to the NHS when needed.

I agree Major/Blair. Major was an under rated PM and I’m a socialist. Tbh, Major would be considered left wing by today’s Tories.

Tony Blair without a doubt without him I was working for peanuts . He brought in the minimum wage

Tony Blair. It's weird liking back on it but it really did feel like a brand new world when he first got elected.

"Tbh, Major would be considered left wing by today’s Tories."
Agree with that.

My experience of Blair’s legacy was the dismantling of the NHS and the start of privatisation.

The evidence doesn’t support that. Thatcher started privatisation in the NHS and Blair continued the Tory PPI policy. The improvement in healthcare was marked in that 13 year period.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/summary-high-performing-nhs-progress-review-1997-2010-ruth-thorlby-jo-maybin-kings-fund-april-2010_0.pdf

I pointed out what was different but you just ignored that.

MPs voted as they did as a result of the faked dossier

I don’t see how voting pattern is a major factor. They were misled too.

How they voted on the back of it isn’t very relevant. You either face repercussions of misleading parliament or not.

There was an enquiry but I don’t recall Blair facing consequences.

Why does how they voted stop proper process?

Not in 1987 when the bastard prevented old people getting £5 for extra heating in the extremely cold winter.
He was so "left wing" that Thatcher stepped in and overruled him. She was hardly a leftie but she could see how bad it looked when the pensioners were freezing to death.
People have very short memories. Major didn't get to be boss of the Tories by being nice, leftie or even decent, he's a ruthless as the rest of them.

The Tories were whipped to vote for the war and Howard said after the event that he’d still have voted for it on the basis of regime change.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

BoJo.

Me and DP both promoted at work. House paid off. House renovations finished. DP started a business.

I joined a new gym and absolutely loved it.

Never felt so happy and secure about basically everything in life.

I thoroughly enjoyed the government's decision to put us all under house arrest for 2020 as well. Me, DP and the dog spent nearly two years at home together, put work on the back burner and really made the most of time together. Bliss.

I dont think I agreed he was nice, nobody becomes party leader by being nice - I agreed he'd be considered left wing by the current crop of Conservatives.

But yes you are absolutely right to say that I had forgotten about the heating allowance.

The will to hold Boris to account was greater - even from some on his own side. As others have pointed out, there was cross party support for regime change.
Iraq had one dodgy dossier. Boris has just continually lied, lied and lied some more - he has shown contempt for Parliament and the Queen. His behaviour has been far worse then Blair ever was, and times are different. Boris was unlucky not to have Iraq or the Falklands to distract people from his many lies and his utter contempt for us.

Boris was unlucky not to have Iraq or the Falklands to distract people from his many lies and his utter contempt for us.

Wasn’t he just? He did try with his frequent visits to Ukraine though.

He’s only in front of privileges committee for one entry - the party statement.

Voting to go to war on a faked dossier is huge.

There was an enquiry so it was scrutinised but for some reason no privilege committee and consequences personally for Blair.

People were pissed off then too, there were protests so it’s not like the public were ok with it all.

This touched a nerve and it was Thatcher for me also
@Babdoc🌻

Margaret Thatcher. I was a young doctor, bought my own detached house on a v affordable mortgage, travelled abroad for the first time, DH was still alive, and the future looked great. Little did I know I was going to be widowed young with two babies and face 30 years of grieving. Sigh.

Tony blair

There was no privilege committee because the leader of the opposition openly and explicitly told parliament he’d have done exactly the same thing.

Everyone saying cameron was ok to introduce and fire ahead brexit, approve shit loads of environmentaly damaging proceedires, ans significant loss/privatisation of nhs not forget the deaths of poor and disabled people from cuts and epic dismantling of public services. But hey if people chose to go to war for a government they shouldnt trust who cares

Jacob Rees Mogg on GB News has been arguing that Blair didnt go before the Privileges Committee and therefore Johnson shouldnt have to.

Which suggests that nobody should go before the Privileges Committee because Blair didn't.

(I think that would actually suit a lot of MPs).

I haven’t heard anything from JRM but I did listen to committee

I found partygate ludicrous and painful all round but the committee was fairly convincing that misleading parliament is worthy of scrutiny and consequences

A faked dossier for war is a big deal

Ah thank you I was wondering where that particular odd piece of Tory "logic" had come from - I should have known really.

I honestly can tell if he's thick or being deliberately disingenuous.

Does he not remember the Iraq enquiry either?

So is proroguing Parliament and lying to the head of State about it, and holding ludicrous illegal celebratory piss-ups when people are dying and can't have people at their funeral. A total lack of respect and decency.

For clarity I’m not arguing Johnson shouldn’t face it

But I haven’t seen convincing reason Blair didn’t

But I was against the war as many others were

Deliberately disingenuous gets my vote.