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Villssev · 30/03/2023 09:01

KnittingNeedles · 30/03/2023 08:41

What I mean @Villssev is that this is the attitude of many people when it comes to musicals.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3698452-AIBU-to-think-you-dont-sing-along-in-the-theatre

this thread about an experience in the same theatre in Edinburgh and the OP is told that Mamma Mia isn't a proper show, it's hardly Madame Butterfly, what did she expect? Edinburgh seems to have a particular issue with this. Maybe Edinburgh audiences are too polite to tell singers to STFU. Glasgow audiences would not have this problem.

KittyVonCatsworth · 22/09/2019 09:42
Awwww, killjoy 😂 it was Mamma Mia, not Madame Butterfly.

one post. From a 10 page thread

and you extrapolated from that it was common to see snobbery on mumsnet that musicals weren’t “proper thewatre”? 😐

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:17

Perhaps popular musicals with well-known songs should be more like the old music halls by default where people do join in with the performers? It seems to be what a lot of people want, perhaps theatres should accommodate it more often?

And can you imagine locking up people's phones when they go in and how long this would take to get them back at the end, and how likely it would be so many would be lost or stolen.

Comefromaway · 30/03/2023 09:21

They performed last week in Edinburgh, and previously in Newcastle. This week is a week off for everyone and they were due to perform next week in Birmingham but with Craig Revel Horwood. Paul O'Grady was due to rejoin the cast at the end of April in Southampton.

Needmorelego · 30/03/2023 09:33

@Catspyjamas17 they do - it's called the Sing-a-Long showings.
Want to sing - go to one of those.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/03/2023 09:44

Perhaps popular musicals with well-known songs should be more like the old music halls by default where people do join in with the performers? It seems to be what a lot of people want, perhaps theatres should accommodate it more often?

For the majority of people who just want to relax and be entertained by professionals - maybe mouthing along with some of the lyrics or gently tapping their feet - we have standard theatre; BUT for the people who want a 'livelier' participatory experience, that's exactly what dedicated 'singalong' performances are designed for! If you're unable to find and book the right event for your requirements, that isn't the fault of everybody else who has booked for the appropriate show.

As has been said upthread, it's even more disgraceful when it's a performance that involves children in main roles. They are actually working; how would other folk - even adults - like it if people kept being distracting and trying to put them off doing their job?

How far back should we go in recreating the 'old days' experiences - should people be allowed to bring rotten fruit along with them again, to 'let the performers know' when they aren't sufficiently thrilled by their work?!

Villssev · 30/03/2023 09:51

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:17

Perhaps popular musicals with well-known songs should be more like the old music halls by default where people do join in with the performers? It seems to be what a lot of people want, perhaps theatres should accommodate it more often?

And can you imagine locking up people's phones when they go in and how long this would take to get them back at the end, and how likely it would be so many would be lost or stolen.

If there was a demand for this, then it would have happened

It’s not happened. Instead theatre do infrequent sing along show for the tiny minority that want to hear strangers belt out songs around them rather than top professional highly talented performers

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 30/03/2023 09:54

If it happened as they said, they were swaying and maybe humming along, then I think it's fine.

If they were being raucous then it's not.

ShagratandGorbag4ever · 30/03/2023 10:02

It's amazing how many adults are incapable of sitting still, keeping quiet and listening for an hour at a time. It's almost as if schools didn't teach these basic skills. Oh, wait a....

Sirius3030 · 30/03/2023 10:03

potniatheron · 29/03/2023 15:40

This is ridiculous. It's a musical! Aren't you SUPPOSED to sing along in the aisles?

No. No you are not.

Villssev · 30/03/2023 10:05

Sirius3030 · 30/03/2023 10:03

No. No you are not.

I believe @potniatheron has now finally shuffled off!

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:11

Villssev · 30/03/2023 09:51

If there was a demand for this, then it would have happened

It’s not happened. Instead theatre do infrequent sing along show for the tiny minority that want to hear strangers belt out songs around them rather than top professional highly talented performers

I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not sure theatres know what audiences want - audience numbers have fallen and not returned after 2020.

dottiedodah · 30/03/2023 10:11

While I understand the venues point.I think its a shame if people cant show their enjoyment at a show like this.I mean not singing obv ,but a little swaying surely? If everyone is just sitting then its not as much fun! I say this as at a Riverdance show I attended ,at 5ft 0 was placed behind a Greg Davies lookalike and had to move from side to side to see anything!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/03/2023 10:14

Instead theatre do infrequent sing along show for the tiny minority that want to hear strangers belt out songs around them rather than top professional highly talented performers

I wonder how many people go to singalong shows and end up regretting it, when they end up next to fellow audience members loudly and raucously shrieking horrifically out of tune at the top of their voices - as, of course, they have every right to do at that format of show.

Either you go to a standard show and sit quietly to listen to talented professional singers; or otherwise you go to a singalong show and it's complete pot luck! As far as I'm aware, there's no such thing as a singalong show where you have to pass an audition before being allowed to book!!

Comefromaway · 30/03/2023 10:19

I'm on quite a few theatre fan groups and singalong performances are very popular with people who have already seen the show in a normal performance.

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:23

But if you go to a pop concert you don't sit quietly and listen to the professional performers perform their music, people usually clap, sing, shout, dance- I hope anyway. I wonder why musicals performing popular hits that everyone knows the words to are expecting a different reaction?

I'm not excusing rowdy behaviour and I know that generally at a theatre audience participation is not encouraged. But I'm suggesting that perhaps musicals that advertise themselves as a fun night out with friends and try and sell plenty of alcohol should perhaps do what they say on the tin and provide more of a gig/concert type experience? It's not only me who is rethinking this.

https://inews.co.uk/culture/theatre-audiences-behaviour-since-covid-pandemic-fights-takeaways-1787819

Since the pandemic, House Theatre has started to provide a different style of theatre which enhances audience participation and offers outdoor performances.
“This is a chance to look at why we give off an intimidating atmosphere being in the theatre and how we can change that,” said Mr Summers-Mileman.
“Maybe audiences do want to talk and be involved,” he added.
The company tours relaxed performances for children, such as an outdoor production of Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream, which includes modern live music to encourage the audience to sing along.
Outdoor performances offer “more freedom” than being in a dark enclosed space, with greater opportunity for “interaction with your friends”, he said.
People complaining about bad audience behaviour is not new, but it has increased since the pandemic, said Dr Sedgman, an expert in audience behaviour who wrote the book The Reasonable Audience.
From surveying hundreds of guides to theatre etiquette she found that discussion of declining audience behaviour correlated with a post-2000s urge for theatres to widen participation.
“That’s led to a rise in productions like jukebox musicals and theatres selling shows as a fun day or night out to people who might have previously thought the theatre is not for them,” said Dr Sedgman.
“The rise in marketing is desperately trying to do a good thing to get more people into the theatre, but it’s potentially not setting them up for the kind of experience that the show itself is inviting,” she added.
Therefore, traditional theatregoers used to “reverent silence” may find themselves sitting with people who came for an “exuberant, sociable experience”, she said.

Perhaps this is more what people want when they go out these days. A more sociable, interactive experience when they go out now that at home, when there is plenty of opportunity to experience dramas and films quietly as a solo experience on devices. Perhaps it's a cultural shift rather than a few people being rowdy.

Drunk, starting fights and eating takeaways, theatre-goers have been misbehaving since Covid

Audiences had been getting more badly behaved over the past decade, but since the pandemic 'it’s a leap beyond what we’ve seen in the past', says expert Dr Kirsty Sedgman

https://inews.co.uk/culture/theatre-audiences-behaviour-since-covid-pandemic-fights-takeaways-1787819

Comefromaway · 30/03/2023 10:26

I wonder why musicals performing popular hits that everyone knows the words to are expecting a different reaction?

The performers are acting out a story on stage. The songs might be well known but they are often performed in a very different style, the words might actually be changed slightly to suit the story. Basically it is NOT a pop concert.

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:26

Well, maybe it should be.

Villssev · 30/03/2023 10:27

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:11

I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not sure theatres know what audiences want - audience numbers have fallen and not returned after 2020.

Source?

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:27

Er the one I attached?

Villssev · 30/03/2023 10:31

@Catspyjamas17

you are allowed full use of your mobile during pop concerts

during theatre they ask you to turn it off

Villssev · 30/03/2023 10:32

Regarding audience figures

Pocodaku · 30/03/2023 10:36

For sing-along film screenings - yes. For live musical performances, definitely not unless the cast specifically asks the audience to join.

viques · 30/03/2023 10:37

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 10:23

But if you go to a pop concert you don't sit quietly and listen to the professional performers perform their music, people usually clap, sing, shout, dance- I hope anyway. I wonder why musicals performing popular hits that everyone knows the words to are expecting a different reaction?

I'm not excusing rowdy behaviour and I know that generally at a theatre audience participation is not encouraged. But I'm suggesting that perhaps musicals that advertise themselves as a fun night out with friends and try and sell plenty of alcohol should perhaps do what they say on the tin and provide more of a gig/concert type experience? It's not only me who is rethinking this.

https://inews.co.uk/culture/theatre-audiences-behaviour-since-covid-pandemic-fights-takeaways-1787819

Since the pandemic, House Theatre has started to provide a different style of theatre which enhances audience participation and offers outdoor performances.
“This is a chance to look at why we give off an intimidating atmosphere being in the theatre and how we can change that,” said Mr Summers-Mileman.
“Maybe audiences do want to talk and be involved,” he added.
The company tours relaxed performances for children, such as an outdoor production of Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream, which includes modern live music to encourage the audience to sing along.
Outdoor performances offer “more freedom” than being in a dark enclosed space, with greater opportunity for “interaction with your friends”, he said.
People complaining about bad audience behaviour is not new, but it has increased since the pandemic, said Dr Sedgman, an expert in audience behaviour who wrote the book The Reasonable Audience.
From surveying hundreds of guides to theatre etiquette she found that discussion of declining audience behaviour correlated with a post-2000s urge for theatres to widen participation.
“That’s led to a rise in productions like jukebox musicals and theatres selling shows as a fun day or night out to people who might have previously thought the theatre is not for them,” said Dr Sedgman.
“The rise in marketing is desperately trying to do a good thing to get more people into the theatre, but it’s potentially not setting them up for the kind of experience that the show itself is inviting,” she added.
Therefore, traditional theatregoers used to “reverent silence” may find themselves sitting with people who came for an “exuberant, sociable experience”, she said.

Perhaps this is more what people want when they go out these days. A more sociable, interactive experience when they go out now that at home, when there is plenty of opportunity to experience dramas and films quietly as a solo experience on devices. Perhaps it's a cultural shift rather than a few people being rowdy.

It’s horses for courses.

Some pubs offer a friendly, convivial experience, you go out for a drink, they could have craft beers or a decent wine list, you chat to a few people you know, you might have a reasonable meal or you share a packet of crisps with a friend,in the summer you sit outside in the garden and relax.

Other pubs have climbing frames for kids, are chilled about babies crying, have gaming machines and music, their menu comes out of the freezer with added ketchup and they sell more lager and J2O than fine wine.

Other pubs have bouncers on the door and blue lights in the toilets to discourage junkies.

Is the same with theatres/ music venues/ stadium performances etc. You have to accept the conventions of the even , just as the atmosphere at tennis at Wimbledon on centre court is very different to the atmosphere on Henman Hill, and don’t get me started on the atmosphere and behaviour of tennis crowds at places like the O2!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/03/2023 10:40

But if you go to a pop concert you don't sit quietly and listen to the professional performers perform their music, people usually clap, sing, shout, dance- I hope anyway. I wonder why musicals performing popular hits that everyone knows the words to are expecting a different reaction?

Apart from it being a very different vibe at a pop concert, they usually have the speaker volume on so loud that an audience member belting it out along with the singer on stage probably can't be heard by the person next to them anyway!

That's world's apart from a young girl with minimal amplification putting her heart and soul into singing 'The sun will come out tomorrow'.

LolaSmiles · 30/03/2023 11:31

But if you go to a pop concert you don't sit quietly and listen to the professional performers perform their music, people usually clap, sing, shout, dance- I hope anyway. I wonder why musicals performing popular hits that everyone knows the words to are expecting a different reaction?
Because it isn't a pop concert.
It's a musical performance in a theatre.

They expect a different reaction because it's a different context and a different type of performance and because adults should be more than capable of switching their brain on and realising most people are there to see and hear the performance, not listen to a group of tipsy idiots singing like they're in the shower.

If adults can't understand (read, won't accept because they're selfish arseholes) that they aren't the centre of the world and they need to modify their behaviour for the context then they're the problem.

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