To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist

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The Sunday Times and The Guardian carried this story earlier this month and again today, as did GB News. Link is below. I just find it unbelievable that so much relevant information about this lady’s disability was either ignored or dismissed by the judge, and that she didn’t have adequate representation at sentencing.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

OK, she saw the cyclist on the path, moved in front of her, shouted and swore.. and made contact that resulted in the cyclist ending up in front of a car and being killed.
It is clear as day on the CCTV footage.

She did stop. A witness said so. It’s also clear from the CCTV that she was not going fast.

She died because Grey pushed her into the road. It’s entirely Greg’s fault.

Yes people with cognitive impairment can know right from wrong, it doesn't mean they lack total capacity. I'm saying the way she handled the offence it points out to cognitive impairment the lies she tells are very childlike and not sophisticated.

The walking off shopping after the event and not waiting for the police/ambulance in her mind she was out do shipping so she was going to do it. She obviously lacks sexecutive functioning. I absolutely think she should have consequences as what she did was wrong. I don't believe prison is the right place for her , it's in its purest sense a punishment , the staff don't have the right skills to offer her the therapeutic intervention she needs. Hospital order or community treatment order with supervision is more appropriate.

On the day of sentencing, funnily.

It's the intent behind it she didn't mean to kill the woman , she should have consequences for her actions.

This. And the Papworth Trust hold some responsibility too. She was living in a supervised residential setting until they decided that she was fit to live alone in one of their adapted flats - despite her family’s concerns that it wasn’t safe. I’m frankly astounded by the lack of any attempt by contributors here to understand how badly this lady has been failed by multiple agencies who should have been a LOT more involved before it ever got to this point. If a child had been jailed for this there would have been outrage, but the majority of posters seem quite happy for a vulnerable adult with the mentality of a child to be jailed no matter how inappropriate. Like I said, done with it now.

Well primarily, because everyone who has examined her, on both prosecution and defence sides, agrees she has capacity.

You can’t section somebody for being a nasty, aggressive cow, unfortunately.

It doesn't matter that AG may have been behaving erratically because of her disabilities, or even if she did it willfully.

Of course it matters. AG behaving erratically forced the cyclist into the road and to her death. That is why AG is in prison.

How has she been failed by multiple agencies? I need specifics I’m afraid because to me it’s not obvious. Unless you’re suggesting she should have been locked away just in case she killed a cyclist and agencies should have foreseen this?

A child didn’t do it though OP and Grey is in no way like a child

So far we have:

It wasn’t a shared pathway - despite photographic evidence
It was the fault of the police, the judge, the jury, the NHS, social services and now the Papworth Trust

If not jail, the some sort of secure unit for the criminally insane.

There is no "basic rule" for all roads pavements or shared pathways. There is a highway code. Auroil Grey broke rule 13 and then killed Celia Ward.

Oh this is just awful victim blaming.
"CW just didn't stop in time".
Multiple witnesses said she stopped.
There are multiple signs to say it is a shared pathway.
CW was not to blame for this.

In the police interview, AG says that she just told the cyclist to 'slow down.' The police office then tells her the cctv has sound and plays it to her. When he asks her what she means by 'get off the fucking pavement' she says she doesn't know. She tries to deny having physically made contact until she is shown an enlarged still from the footage showing her hand on the cyclist jacket.
She's a liar. An aggressive, out of control liar.
She may well have cognitive impairment and executive functioning but the judge who has seen all the medical reports and evidence concluded that this does not mean she is not responsible for causing the cyclist's death.

Absolutely right that she's in jail.

Judge admits she has cognitive impairment , She lived in supervised housing until she was moved on to a lone flat , she would have had previous involvement with SS and support agencies to set this up. It's not like she wasn't on their radar. She was and the multiple agencies failed her and the lady who died.

Sectioning does not just apply to capacity , it's a disorder of the brain either functional or organic which poses a danger to others or themselves.
Someone died because of her irresponsible conduct , she's currently on the hospital wing at HMP. I work with offenders with cognitive impairments.

She’s not criminally insane. There was no claim for diminished responsibility from the defence.

She also has “a friend” telling the Mirror she is terrified she will be beaten up in prison. So apparently she knows exactly where she is.

One of those stories is clearly cobblers. Probably both, and as you say she is just laying the groundwork for an appeal.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyclist-pavement-killer-fears-bullied-29377024?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

I’d also really love to k ow where all these very specific magical facilities are that exist that are alternatives to jail and have round the clock rehabilitation.

Yes it's actually the job to risk assess and trigger safeguarding! If this lady with cognitive impairment who was known to services she lived at the Papworth trust (so would be known to SS) She was verbally abusing members of the public and was talked to by the police. Why the hell wasn't this flagged to the other agencies. You can put safeguards in place to protect the public increased staffing provision , change of accomodation and therapeutic interventions. All these things prevent harm to the person and the public

I work in one...

3 yrs is nowhere near long enough!

Your Post title is callous. The (hearing impaired - have you forgotten that?🙄) dead cyclist has a grieving family. What's the point of your 'yeah but' post anyway? Write to your MP about ways to campaign for sentence reduction, instead of raging at strangers on MN. I also think you must be related to the imprisoned woman but you're doing her no favours with your misplaced anger. She pushed someone into the road to their death then left the scene, there has to be consequences for such levels of anger.

Then you know what a high bar there is to getting a long term care order for a patient, and “has cognitive impairment and sometimes shouts at people” would not clear that bar…