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To think that adults are much less resilient than they used to be

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louease · 24/03/2023 10:42

First of all I'll admit that I'm on the older side of 60 so the weight of my belt onion could be effecting my judgement on this.

I see a lot on social media including here where people say they are upset at words they read on a screen, that they've been triggered, or that it should have a warning attached.

Are we making the world harder to live in by trying to make it too comfortable do you think?

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jannier · 25/03/2023 18:26

Have a look at things like Made in Dagenham based on the 1968 woman's rights fight. And Cathy come home a story based on what life was like in the late 50s early 60s trying to keep things together.

Blossomtoes · 25/03/2023 18:38

I was born in 1953. My mum’s greatest aspiration for me was to be a secretary. She was absolutely horrified when I gave up a “good job” to do a degree full time when I was 30. My dad was my cheerleader, he hated it that his highly intelligent mother had no opportunity to use her talents.

Almost all my contemporaries were secretaries, bank clerks and administrators - and that was from a grammar school.

jannier · 25/03/2023 18:44

This shows how more women have been able to enter the jobs market but not the level of job pursued other than the explanation that the increase was due to the growing services industries. If you look at how few were in parliament it tells you something of the attitude to women

To think that adults are much less resilient than they used to be
To think that adults are much less resilient than they used to be
StressedToTheMaxxx · 25/03/2023 18:46

TheMarzipanDildo · 24/03/2023 12:52

But we do have all those things to worry about really.

And yet we worry about pronouns. I think people feel useless in the face of inflation/pandemics/war/climate change so they get het up about things they think they can control, like other peoples use of language.

We potentially have these things to worry about however worrying about a tsunami hitting or bombs raining down on us at any minute isn't a threat. These things aren't a day to day reality for us.

magicthree · 25/03/2023 18:53

AskAwayAgain · 25/03/2023 14:24

I do not think it is about resilience. There is too much focus on ourselves from how we are feeling to physical exercise. Although that has some good points, being too focussed on yourself is terrible for mental health. And social media makes this worse.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

Snippit · 25/03/2023 23:23

magicthree · 25/03/2023 18:53

I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

This is true. Before social media there was no second guessing, no waiting for likes, you just got on with life. I honestly don’t know how people find time to post what they do. I’m sure that’s why so many people second guess themselves, it’s not healthy. I had Facebook for a very short time and it made me a little anxious, I wasn’t comfortable. I feel so much better without it.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 26/03/2023 02:51

Please provide your data

HoneyBeen · 26/03/2023 07:42

They have the resilience of a week old lettuce nowadays.

surrenderdorothy · 26/03/2023 08:26

HoneyBeen · 26/03/2023 07:42

They have the resilience of a week old lettuce nowadays.

Grin
Snippit · 26/03/2023 20:03

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 26/03/2023 02:51

Please provide your data

Seriously?

Happyher · 26/03/2023 20:15

People these days seems to think they’re entitled a perfect life and to have all their views/opinions/lifestyle validated by everyone else. Probably encouraged by social media and photo editing. It would be much better if everyone accepted the cards they’d been dealt in life and strived to make there own life better through their own efforts instead of blaming others;

I do blame my generation partly for this as when we were young we had very little and as parents we’ve strived to give our kids everything we could - phones/laptops/holidays abroad/designer clothes etc., and made it seem easy to them. I know not everyone will have experienced this so if you’ve found success and happiness through your own efforts - well done!!

ReneBumsWombats · 26/03/2023 20:39

People these days seems to think they’re entitled a perfect life and to have all their views/opinions/lifestyle validated by everyone else.

In what way?

mellicauli · 26/03/2023 20:56

Blossomtoes · 25/03/2023 17:48

I bet they only got those opportunities because of the war. Lots of women did. Then when it was all over it was back to the kitchen for them. Anecdota about outliers proves nothing.

@jannier is entirely correct.

No - they were only young in the war. I think they got the jobs because they had a university education. . They were refugees, so not privileged. Computer programmers were nearly always female in those days

I love the way you dismiss other people;s points as anecdata

mellicauli · 26/03/2023 20:57

https://www.striking-women.org/module/women-and-work/post-world-war-ii-1946-1970

"The proportion of women in the labour force as a percentage of women of working age (15-64) increased from 45.9% in 1955 to 51% in 1965"

So. I think my point stands - women moving into the workforce was not teh work of the boomer generation. It was work across the generatiosn.

Post World War II: 1946-1970 | Striking Women

After WWII, the establishment of the [no-lexicon]welfare state[/no-lexicon] created new employment opportunities for women. Women workers, including [no-lexicon]migrant workers[/no-lexicon], faced [no-lexicon]discrimination[/no-lexicon] at work. During...

https://www.striking-women.org/module/women-and-work/post-world-war-ii-1946-1970

NotTerfNorCis · 26/03/2023 21:00

If you read Victorian literature, you'll find a bunch of emotional, neurotic adults in that.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 26/03/2023 21:12

@Snippit why wouldn't I be interested in some facts to back up the various opinions & sweeping generalisations (on either 'side') on this thread? I've asked a couple of times now but no responses so far (not that anyone is obliged to read or reply to anyone else). Seems strange to object to someone asking for data to confirm hypotheses presented as fact, but I suppose it would be a boring world if we all thought in the same ways.

LadyWindermeresOnlyFans · 26/03/2023 21:16

P.s. I might have missed some posts, of course, so am happy to be corrected! And I note the interesting links posted about women and the workforce.

Blossomtoes · 26/03/2023 21:58

mellicauli · 26/03/2023 20:57

https://www.striking-women.org/module/women-and-work/post-world-war-ii-1946-1970

"The proportion of women in the labour force as a percentage of women of working age (15-64) increased from 45.9% in 1955 to 51% in 1965"

So. I think my point stands - women moving into the workforce was not teh work of the boomer generation. It was work across the generatiosn.

The proportion of women in the labour force as a percentage of women of working age (15-64) increased from 45.9% in 1955 to 51% in 1965. Despite this increase in the rate of women’s employment, women were still considered to be 'secondary workers'. Women's wages were not considered central to families’ income, instead it was thought that women's wages were for ‘extras’ such as holidays or new consumer durables. Mothers of young children were once again discouraged from working and most of the state funded nurseries set up during the WWII were closed by the post-war Labour government. Welfare payments for families were based on the assumption that a man’s income supported his wife and children who were his dependants (the ‘family wage’). The benefit rates for married women were set at a lower level than those for married men.

Blossomtoes · 26/03/2023 22:02

Since boomers entered the workplace

Since the 1970s, there have been several advances to address inequalities and discrimination at work that have historically affected women in the UK. Women have successfully gained rights to maternity leave and pay, campaigned against sexual harassment at work and to extend the initial equal paylegislation of 1970 to close loopholes.

Glossary beginning with D | Striking Women

https://www.striking-women.org/glossary/letter_d#Discrimination

AskAwayAgain · 26/03/2023 22:49

There used to be very few nurseries and no help with the costs. So mums with young children normally only worked if they had family who could help out. I knew quite a few couples where the woman worked nightshifts or weekends whne her husband was off work.

mellicauli · 26/03/2023 23:10

@Blossomtoes I don't deny that boomers made many great contributions to women's return to the workplace but my point was that this was the work of many generations, probably going back to the suffragettes.

AfraidToRun · 26/03/2023 23:26

probably 70 30 split.

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