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To not be over what happened to me during covid/lockdowns

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ifyougochasingrabbits · 24/03/2023 09:21

Just a few of the things I went through

Losing my cleaning business i had built up over years overnight due to everyone cancelling us

Being humiliated by the headteacher at DC school shouting at me in front of other parents because I refused to wear a mask outside . My little girl being made to start school late and finish late because I was unable to wear a mask to collect her (school run was all outside I may add and I had no problem wearing masks in shops etc but I drew the line at in the fresh air outside)

watching thousands of pounds of income disappear at an alarming rate. while wondering if we’d still have jobs and be able to keep the house we’d worked our arses off for for years to buy. Going through six months of trauma with H furloughed and depressed because his work could not guarantee he'd still have a job at the end of it. He was on half pay as furlough was only paid up to about 30k salary iirc and if you were on more it was employers discretion to pay the full salary which his work didn't. He was even applying for jobs at supermarkets and delivery driving etc and getting no where despite having a high level job at a major house builder.

Watching selfish morons stockpiling at the very beginning

“Friends” dumping me, one Cos I dared voice out loud that I wasn’t personally scared of covid and was struggling with restrictions and did not agree with them.

Having to deal with the fact that many of my (remaining) friends had views I completely don’t agree with and accepting they probably feel same about me.
And having to cope with the fact they supported restrictions that were destroying our lives and mental health

Having my business absolutely trashed all over social media and being called a dirty bitch and worse by local people. Fake bad reviews etc. The “reason” was they took exception to me saying on a local page post that I didn't believe in masks in school (this was due to my kids really struggling with them) My 14 year old said he agreed and some of them then found him on fb and messaged him insulted his looks and called him stupid and a fucking moron etc. This was actual grown adults.

a random person inboxed me on Facebook due to seeing my business ad and threatened to "smash my face in" because she thinks i was “endangering lives” by working

My neighbour reporting us to the police for having an illegal gathering. This "illegal gathering" was me, my H and our 3 dc having a bbq in the garden. Needless to say we all live together

Being put on medication for panic attacks and anxiety in fact I minimised it to the gp. I was actually suicidal and the only reason I am still here is because of my kids and the fact my husband and parents had the same views as me. But I would secretly hope to die in my sleep and almost every day I would wake up and cry because I was still here.

Watching my 3 Kids completely fall apart due to schools being closed. While not only having to deal with seeing posts all over fb about how well other kids were doing and coping doing all their work, managing great. And knowing some people I care about actually wanted schools shut. One of my kids is still very unwell mentally and it all started with lockdowns

Oh and to add final insult to injury, in November 2021 I had to pay £5700 (which was part credit card and part all of our savings) privately for an operation that should have been freely available on the nhs. But cos covid they could not give me a date and I was getting more and more poorly and could not wait.

I am still angry and maybe I should get over it. But I can't. And There's probably more but these are the stand out moments. I'm doing okay now and I have a new business and I'm doing well, H has a new job as he could not trust his old place after covid. but I've been very low again recently with the anniversary of it all

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CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 24/03/2023 11:27

YABU

My mum died in front of me, on the floor of the living room. She was too young.

All of your issues were self inflicted. And you could've got financial support from the government for your business, your husband was furloughed, some of us still had to work.

OMG12 · 24/03/2023 11:27

Fifi1010 · 24/03/2023 11:21

No it isn't but people were dying from COVID older than they were dying from other things. Total Life expectancy is 83 , average age of death for COVID was 84. Everything became about quantity of life Vs quality. I'm sure many elderly people who were dying from other things didn't want to be locked up into forced shielding in the precious last month's years of life.

And I think this is important. My Dad was moved from hospital to a care home on lockdown. The first time I saw his room was 2 years later when he was dying - we had to fight to get in there (and we only did cos I threatened to sue and it was the weekend and no manager was contactable). He still had covid twice in that time. The weekend he died was the first time I’d been allowed to touch him in 2 years. He was unconscious by then. It would have been kinder for us if he had just been surrounded by family in his final few months, even if he had died sooner.

I realise I was lucky to be able to spend my dads final hours with him, but I’ve had to seek counselling about all the time that was taken away from us.

darjeelingrose · 24/03/2023 11:28

You absolutely lost me in the first half when you were stupid enough to jeopardize your child's education by choosing to have them start late and finish early because you wanted to make a stupid point about a mask. Where are your priorities? You need to have a look at yourself. You brought that about. YABU.

Rosula · 24/03/2023 11:28

BoogieFun · 24/03/2023 11:18

Was that poster not bagging bodies before?

I assume they were.

But even if they had a new role during covid of 'bagging bodies' what relevance does that have to the OP expressing how she was effected during covid?

It's that kind of dramatic, over-emotive posts that were designed to shut down discussion during covid and designed to shut it down now.

It's manipulative and toxic and designed to shut down discussion. Not cool.

It's not difficult to work out the relevance, given the OP's insistence that covid restrictions and precautions weren't needed. If you were having to do a shitty job that was made much more difficult by reason of covid, it's easy to see why your direct experience might make you think that OP was being selfish and entitled to moan that people didn't agree with her.

LuluBlakey1 · 24/03/2023 11:29

On the whole I followed the rules. I certainly didn't wear masks in the street but would have standing in a crowd of other parents. I also went out every day for a long walk- not the short exercise period we were told to.

I lost money- I work as a consultant part-time but DH was fine with his salary and we managed. Upsetting was the unknown about it all, the idiots on the trains refusing to wear masks and sitting coughing and sneezing, my uncle dying from Covid, worrying about PIL and DH's grandma, a friend's daughter died (she was a nurse and only in her 20s), the government were their usual entitled selves. The damage done to our NHS and local services by the government was disgraceful. The plight of adult social care was fully revealed and the Tories continued to make billions for their pals from it.

But I think we (our little family) are ok at the end of it and I am grateful for that and sorry for those who lost close family and friends. The task for all of us now is to build back a strong society- this government has destroyed it over that last 13 years.

OP - you sound not a very kind person. You sound quite aggressive and self-obsessed. Not everyone will agree with your views. Not everything is about you and many people who know you probably don't like you much; and that's where the negativity towards you came from.

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 24/03/2023 11:30

BeachBlondey · 24/03/2023 11:10

And this is why we'd be fucked if something similar happened again.

The General Public, thinking that they know more about a virus than Chris Whitty.

In a Global Emergency, why can't people just do as they are fucking told?

Yes, with reflection things could have been done differently, but of course hindsight is always 20/20. But when you're in the thick of a virus that you don't know much about, at least fucking listen to the experts that have decades of knowledge between them, and do as you're asked until further notice.

This.

Brefugee · 24/03/2023 11:30

An average is that so if the average is 84 a good number would be above 84!!! If a huge number of young people were dying the average would come down a lot.

what kind of average do the ONS use, because 84 seems very high for a mean average, but seems ok for a modal average, you would generally expect the highest number of deaths among the older members of a population

spuddel · 24/03/2023 11:31

I totally agree with you op. People mindlessly obeyed unscientific restrictions on their liberty enforced by politicians of questionable morals. As for the sainted NHS, it went slap happy with midazolam and morphine combos when people were in respiratory distress, entirely at odds with NICE guidance. The Milgram experiment came to life in 2020 and our fellow man had no compunction about turning on us because 'science'. https://behavioralscientist.org/how-would-people-behave-in-milgrams-experiment-today/

How Would People Behave in Milgram’s Experiment Today? - Behavioral Scientist

Half of a century ago, Milgram's experiments cast doubt on Americans' sense of moral exceptionalism. Has anything changed the "banality of evil"?

https://behavioralscientist.org/how-would-people-behave-in-milgrams-experiment-today

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 24/03/2023 11:32

Rosula · 24/03/2023 10:58

Completely agree, the way the British public seemed to lose any powers of critical thinking en masse was astonishing. Have lost respect for a lot of people I know due to their blinkered sheep like attitude.

Ah, the wonders of hindsight. We were dealing with something unprecedented in anyone's experience, but for which governments all over the world were taking similar measures. Indeed, many were imposing even more draconian measures. But you think British people should all have decided that they knew better.

What do you suggest was the alternative? Should we just have let the pandemic rage and watch the NHS collapse?

If we had done that you can guarantee the same posters who moan constantly about lockdowns and furlough would instead have been on here howling about how disgusting it is that the government didn't act.

Figgygal · 24/03/2023 11:36

Sorry you received abuse that was out of order but tbh I think I'd have dumped you as a friend too you sound contrary and hard work
Lots of people suffered

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/03/2023 11:38

I'd be unimpressed that you couldn't bother to wear a mask to get your five year old to school on time tbh. I'd also think, just from reading your post, that you were possibly quite exceedingly self centred about the way you raised issues which I imagine may have hastened your friends departure. I'm sorry about your mental health and your children's mental health issues. If I'm honest I'm sorrier about the people who lost their lives and for those who are suffering life chging results from having COVID, particularly those who got it before vaccines. Hope your life and your family's lives improve.

Nailed it.

ItsTimeToWine · 24/03/2023 11:39

If the schools decided you needed to wear masks at pickup why didn't you wear one? Pickup takes all of 5 minutes, it's your own doing deciding not to. Your post reads as you didn't agree with any of the measures taken, fine whatever but why still go on about it? People were scared, lots of people did die, you were going on social media shouting about not agreeing with things, why didn't you just keep your thoughts to yourself? Your husband will have got half pay so 30k? For sitting at home doing nothing, you are even complaining about that?

It's a pity you had a tough time, but come on now lots of people lost relatives to covid and couldn't be there when they died. Have a bit of perspective on this.

Runningoncoffeealone · 24/03/2023 11:47

YANBU because you can't help how you feel.

A lot of people will say YABU because people died, they lost loved ones, almost died from covid themselves etc and they're not wrong either - I lost two loved ones and covid very nearly took me too BUT the way I see things is if a person breaks their arm and the person next to them breaks both their arms, the person with one broken arm is still in pain.

The thing that really got to me during covid was the amount of people who literally fought other people for food and toilet paper. It felt like we lost so much humanity.

I really hope you can recover from this soon OP, I don't have any real advice but sending a hand hold 💐

jemimapuddlepluck · 24/03/2023 11:49

Woeismeitappears · 24/03/2023 09:44

My 48 year old husband died. He caught covid and he died.

my kids had to attend their dads funeral, my life tipped upside down and inside out.

I have no sympathy for you and your ‘I drew the line’ rubbish.

Lockdown was shit. Watching your husband via FaceTime lay on a ventilator when you can’t even hold is hand is I assure you, far far worse.

Telling your kids that their dad died and that they can’t see him because of the covid rules, excluding 99% of his family to the funeral due to lockdown rules.

not being able to hug your mother in law who has just lost her son because you had to isolate for 7 days so that you could be there when your husband died.

Seriously get some perspective.

I am so sorry for your loss 💐
I notice the OP hasn't acknowledged you.
You need to move on OP. Access help if needs be. Life keeps a moving even when we can't.

ifyougochasingrabbits · 24/03/2023 11:49

Comedycook · 24/03/2023 10:01

You only had to go along with wearing a mask outside though. What was the point on 'making a stand' like you did? Who did that benefit? What would it have changed

And here we see how things like nazi Germany happened. I'm a granddaughter of a holocaust survivors before you jump on me for that comment. Just do what you're told and don't question it is a terrifying way to live and you can sleepwalk into terrible things.

Totally agree

As mentioned I said I wore masks in shops etc but I was not wearing one outside it was purely performance safety

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Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 24/03/2023 11:49

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 24/03/2023 11:08

Two people I know died of COVID, both younger than 60, and lots of people who took months, if not a year or more to recover fully.

I don't know anyone who has died from the vaccine, or suffered long term effects.

The only vaccine side effects I know of are:

my friend had a stable, benign brain tumour grow for the first time in years.

A colleague had bells palsy/numbness in her arm for a few weeks afterwards.

JazbayGrapes · 24/03/2023 11:49

OP, my sympaties.
Do not forgive or forget the bullies.

Hankunamatata · 24/03/2023 11:49

You chose not to wear a mask and impacted your dd, you chose to voice that 'you weren't scared of covid' (great when people are dying bit hey ho), and you commented online anti mask sentiments. When you run your own business you really cannot be making statements like that online. Do you see you made things worse for yourself and your family

XelaM · 24/03/2023 11:51

ItsTimeToWine · 24/03/2023 11:39

If the schools decided you needed to wear masks at pickup why didn't you wear one? Pickup takes all of 5 minutes, it's your own doing deciding not to. Your post reads as you didn't agree with any of the measures taken, fine whatever but why still go on about it? People were scared, lots of people did die, you were going on social media shouting about not agreeing with things, why didn't you just keep your thoughts to yourself? Your husband will have got half pay so 30k? For sitting at home doing nothing, you are even complaining about that?

It's a pity you had a tough time, but come on now lots of people lost relatives to covid and couldn't be there when they died. Have a bit of perspective on this.

All of this.

I also had to laughing about being depressed being furloughed. Sorry but your husband was receiving a salary for sitting at home. Why are you complaining about that?

Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 24/03/2023 11:51

JazbayGrapes · 24/03/2023 11:49

OP, my sympaties.
Do not forgive or forget the bullies.

I think being called out for acting a fool is slightly different from bullying.

jenjenlinks · 24/03/2023 11:52

So you acted like a total dick throughout the pandemic and are now still complaining that people didn't want to be associated with someone who acted like you did?

I really don't understand how your three children completely fell apart because school was closed. That suggests they had serious issues already, doesn't it?

Nousernamesleftatall · 24/03/2023 11:53

Yanbu. It has now accepted masks never worked. Those of us who refused to go along with the theatre are owed an apology.

CoffeeInTheClouds · 24/03/2023 11:53

Shabang21 · 24/03/2023 11:17

Because of the Nazi’s apparently.

@BeachBlondey I couldn’t agree with you more - hindsight is a wonderful thing, but in 2020 we didn’t have a fucking clue. I was terrified, mine and my families mental health took a nosedive, my parents are still suffering with ill health because of it and I’m still (like many many others) trying to sort my shit out from it.

It's ridiculous and offensive to say that people were blindly following orders we didn’t agree with when it comes to distancing and masks - no, we were fucking terrified we might kill someone BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW VIRUS. Do people really not appreciate that?

Nope, I don't recall saying anything about the Nazi's informing my decisions...sorry to debunk your narrative!

Inkpotlover · 24/03/2023 11:53

Having to wear masks outside was ridiculous, I'm with you on that, OP. Watching my work disappear (freelance contractor) was so stressful. Knowing now, thanks to hindsight and Matt Hancock's WA messages, that the Govt was deploying fear tactics to keep us in check still infuriates me now.

Experiencing two dear family friends die of Covid and watching my best friend mourn her mum who died in a care home alone puts all of the above into perspective.

musingsinmidlife · 24/03/2023 11:53

You made a lot of decisions that negatively impacted you and your family. Those are your own choices and choices have consequences. The reality is you can have opposing opinions and still make choices that are for the better of your kids and self. I have to abide by many rules in life and society that I don't personally support but I choose to compromise and abide by them to avoid the consequences and to avoid distressing those around me. You didn't need to be so rebellious and to make your views known so publically given the impact on your kids.

In hindsight, did they get everything right about COVID, of course not. But at various times with all the unpredictable factors decisions were made by imperfect humans who had the power, pressure, and responsibility to make decisions. We live in a society and decisions were made for the good of society based on knowledge at the time. Everyone was under a lot of stress. People had sick and dying family members they couldn't visit or were deperately trying to protect, the health and education systems were under incredible strain, jobs and the economy were destabilized, anxiety peaked, homes and families had to deal with additional challenges. Regardless of your personal views, it was a really hard time for pretty much everyone for the first year or so until vaccines brought some feeling of control, action, and protection.

You can think a rule is stupid but decide to abide by it for the wellbeing of your children and to avoid additional distress. You chose differently and are experiencing consequences for your choices. Tis life.

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