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To wonder who eats this food and why?

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BingoBonus · 22/03/2023 10:26

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

Plant-based chicken-style breaded fillet. The main two ingredients are water and oil!

I don't understand the boom in plant-based ultra-processed foods...........do people actually buy these as a healthy option? And if you are vegetarian why would you want something that looked like meat?

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:01

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 13:56

Some funny responses here. Meat is natural so it's veggies who have to supplement their diet. Also amusing how people don't understand nature, it's not kind to say you won't eat meat. No doubt some nutters make their dogs and cats eat veggie fake food too.

It won't be so amusing when meat eating accelerates the impact of climate change. But perhaps you think that is "natural" too?

ThankmelaterOkay · 22/03/2023 14:01

Damn right. I’m sick of these fat vegans everywhere.

Picklypickles · 22/03/2023 14:02

I'm vegetarian and I don't care for most of the processed meat substitutes, I gave up meat because I've never really liked it so don't want something that mimics the taste or texture. I like some vegetarian sausages such as Plant Chef herby bangers or Linda McCartney rosemary and red onion ones as they have the taste and texture of stuffing, which I love! My dad also got me some really nice burgers from Waitrose a few weeks ago they were mushroom and chestnut, it's a shame I don't have a Waitrose anywhere near me as I'd get those every week!

I don't really care what other people eat though, it makes no difference to my life!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:03

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 13:59

Vegan is the most unhealthy diet by miles. Children have died because their parents only fed them fake vegan food. Meat and dairy are essential as well as cards. Veganism is leading to rainforest destruction too. Really really bad for your body and the environment but it makes them feel superior and they can tell others off for eating meat which they should be as mammals. Veganism specifically is unethical because its marketed as healthy when it is the opposite.

How many children have died directly as a result of being raised on a vegan diet? Can you quote your source, please?

I'm not vegan, but I know plenty of vegans and they are all at least as healthy as the meat eaters that I know. You seem to be a bit confused.

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:04

I def think humans need meat. No fake stuff, not nuts but animal protein. It's out of order for the pp to keep making her husband eat meals without. I'd be weak within 24hrs of no proper meat, beans do not replace proper protein. Plus most people get very iffy gits from soya which tells you it's not good to eat things like tofu.
High meat content sausage and burgers are fine, it's when they are 50% bread they become junk food.

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:05

It is considered neglect to raise young children before puberty as vegan. Veggie might be ok but I'd still call it neglect. Ideology over human health and evolutionary evidence.

habbiespond · 22/03/2023 14:06

🤮 the power of marketing

ReginaPhalange1989 · 22/03/2023 14:06

Why do people eat chicken nuggets at all? They're ultra processed junk food too, so the meat alternatives are also junk food.

I am a vegetarian, and I eat healthily. I may have plant based meat every now and then when I fancy junk food, or when eating out, but the meat alternatives are never a healthy option.

I absolutely hate it when meat eaters say to me "And if you are vegetarian why would you want something that looked like meat?" Here are my reasons:

Being vegan / veggie doesn't mean you don't enjoy a burger that looks / tastes like a beef burger. It means you don't want to eat animals. You don't want to cause the suffering and slaughter of an animal just for a meal, so if you fancy a beef burger, you eat the meat free alternatives.

Because culturally, in the UK meat is a staple of the diet, I was raised by meat eaters, eating meat, so a lot of our home cooked food was based around meat - meals like toad in the hole, shepherds pie, spag bol, full english or bacon / sausage rolls, lasagne the occasional chicken nuggets and chips.... I grew up eating these foods, and when I went veggie I still wanted to enjoy these meals, just without the dead animal.

It's also better for the environment. Meat causes SO many emissions and deforestation, and uses so much water / grain and soy. A lot of meat alternatives are made from soy or pea protein, or Quorn, which create far less emissions. If everybody on the planet went vegan and stopped eating meat, the grains / soy grown to feed livestock alone could feed everybody (with lots of leftover food).

In my opinion, people in this country eat way too much meat.
It is not healthy to eat meat for every meal, and a lot of meat (pork particularly) is ultra processed so it certainly isn't a healthy option.
My grandma grew up post war, and they'd have a joint of meat or a chicken that would have to be shared by 5 people, and mixed with veggies and bread to spread it out over the week. They'd eat the whole animal too, offal and all. She always said that meat should be seen as a moderation food, or a treat, and not something you must have every day.

I know I get more than my 5 a day, every day. I eat a huge variety of fruit and vegetables, so I know I am getting all my vitamins... how may meat eaters could say the same? I feel so much healthier with my veggie diet than I ever did eating meat.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:07

You sound rather unwell, @Boomboom22. Maybe your diet needs looking at?

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:07

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:03

How many children have died directly as a result of being raised on a vegan diet? Can you quote your source, please?

I'm not vegan, but I know plenty of vegans and they are all at least as healthy as the meat eaters that I know. You seem to be a bit confused.

I don't believe you. Compare their blood work to yours. Likely low iron, ferritin and many minerals. Vitamins will be ok but we need protein and all the minerals too. Your body cannot process these from fake foods like it can real. Obviously heavily processed diet with no veg is bad too but less bad than being vegan.

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:08

I'd be weak within 24hrs of no proper meat, beans do not replace proper protein. Plus most people get very iffy gits from soya which tells you it's not good to eat things like tofu.

Weak if you don't have meat for 24 hours? Do you have a condition? That's not normal. I don't know anyone who gets "iffy gits" from soya. Are you going to break to Chinese,Korean,Japanese people etc that it's bad to eat tofu? It doesn't seem to be doing them any harm considering how long they've been consuming it.

ThankmelaterOkay · 22/03/2023 14:08

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:07

You sound rather unwell, @Boomboom22. Maybe your diet needs looking at?

I know it’s not a perfect assessor, but I’d love to know Boom’s BMI.

vitahelp · 22/03/2023 14:09

@Boomboom22 You're sounding dafter with each post, please stop!

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:10

22 or 23 I think, much much bigger than as a teenager when I was waif like but that's 3 kids for you. Look up the latest science on soy and veganism. The marketing has worked a treat on most here.

Picklypickles · 22/03/2023 14:10

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:05

It is considered neglect to raise young children before puberty as vegan. Veggie might be ok but I'd still call it neglect. Ideology over human health and evolutionary evidence.

So would you force-feed a young child who didn't like meat then? My autistic 9yr old has never been a meat-lover, he'd only ever eat tiny amounts of it and would find even that stressful. 9/10 he'll go for the veggie option that I'm having. He's always been perfectly healthy, only thing that's affected his weight at times is his ADHD medication. I don't see a problem with him not liking meat at all and I don't believe that humans "need" to eat meat to be healthy.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:10

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:07

I don't believe you. Compare their blood work to yours. Likely low iron, ferritin and many minerals. Vitamins will be ok but we need protein and all the minerals too. Your body cannot process these from fake foods like it can real. Obviously heavily processed diet with no veg is bad too but less bad than being vegan.

So quote your source, then. You have stated that children (plural) have died as a result of eating only vegan processed food. Please tell us exactly how many children have died and link us to your source for this info.

I'm sure you do have a reliable source and you're not just making up "facts" to suit your own narrative?

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:11

It's anyone who wants to be vegan for ideological reasons that is mentally unwell. Imagine getting in a tizz over farm animals who exist as food. Or drinking milk.

Kennykenkencat · 22/03/2023 14:12

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 13:59

Vegan is the most unhealthy diet by miles. Children have died because their parents only fed them fake vegan food. Meat and dairy are essential as well as cards. Veganism is leading to rainforest destruction too. Really really bad for your body and the environment but it makes them feel superior and they can tell others off for eating meat which they should be as mammals. Veganism specifically is unethical because its marketed as healthy when it is the opposite.

I think you need to do a little more research

what is grown when they clear the rain forest is crops to feed the animals that get killed to put in your plate. The more you eat meat the more the rainforest will be chopped down to grow animal feed

Veganism isn’t something you can do by just cutting out meat and animal products. It is something that requires a bit of thought especially with children.

My children have never eaten meat in their lives. Ds is now vegan.
Friend told me I would be stunting their growth by not feeding them meat.
Dd towers over everyone and Ds is taller.

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:13

I recognise BoomBoom's style. If it's the same person I'm thinking of, they've been posting hysterical nonsense on vegan related topics for many years now and they're still making no more sense now than they did then.

Kennykenkencat · 22/03/2023 14:13

Also having your children eat meat. It might take longer but how many people die of cancers relating to their meat consumption.

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 22/03/2023 14:13

Looking at the ingredients I would rather go hungry.

UnctuousUnicorns · 22/03/2023 14:14

"Tomorrow is veggie Linda McCartney mozzarella burgers"

Mmm, I love them, just be careful not to overcook them, or they can go tough. They barely need 10- 12 minutes in a 180°C oven, we find.

ReginaPhalange1989 · 22/03/2023 14:15

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:11

It's anyone who wants to be vegan for ideological reasons that is mentally unwell. Imagine getting in a tizz over farm animals who exist as food. Or drinking milk.

I must be mentally unwell then as I don't want to kill and consume a sentient being who doesn't want to die. I don't want to pay the dairy industry to rape and kill baby cows just so I can drink milk. Have you never wondered why we're the only species who continue to drink milk past childhood - or milk from another species?

The might be there to "exist as food" but it doesn't mean its ethical or right.

I would say the dairy / meat industry has done a number on you... the most successful marketing campaign of all time! Convincing people they need meat and milk to live ....