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To wonder who eats this food and why?

507 replies

BingoBonus · 22/03/2023 10:26

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

Plant-based chicken-style breaded fillet. The main two ingredients are water and oil!

I don't understand the boom in plant-based ultra-processed foods...........do people actually buy these as a healthy option? And if you are vegetarian why would you want something that looked like meat?

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/03/2023 14:15

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:13

According to your source:

"the details of those deaths are not publicly known and it is unclear if they were directly related to the children's diet."

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:16

www.nytimes.com/2003/04/05/nyregion/couple-guilty-of-assault-in-vegan-case.html

So Belgium, Australia, N, and also Italy

Some have specific laws, , thers come under child protection neglect or criminal assault laws.

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:17

Reading those stories, the veganism was the least of it. They didn't die because of a vegan diet, they died because of an inadequate diet with insufficient food and the parents were negligent in other respects too e.g no healthcare.

habbiespond · 22/03/2023 14:17

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:07

I don't believe you. Compare their blood work to yours. Likely low iron, ferritin and many minerals. Vitamins will be ok but we need protein and all the minerals too. Your body cannot process these from fake foods like it can real. Obviously heavily processed diet with no veg is bad too but less bad than being vegan.

You can't say on here, even though it's obvious. Even though many babies die from being forced to be vegan.

There's a vegan mums facebook group where so many mums will post that their kid's teeth are crumbling and ask could it be because the diet? And the answer echoed in unison is absolutely not. Deluded and neglectful.

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:17

Yes and the extreme belief of veganism goes hand in hand with this.

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:17

the details of those deaths are not publicly known and it is unclear if they were directly related to the children's diet."

And yes, you seem to have missed that part too.

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:18

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 13:59

Vegan is the most unhealthy diet by miles. Children have died because their parents only fed them fake vegan food. Meat and dairy are essential as well as cards. Veganism is leading to rainforest destruction too. Really really bad for your body and the environment but it makes them feel superior and they can tell others off for eating meat which they should be as mammals. Veganism specifically is unethical because its marketed as healthy when it is the opposite.

70% of people in the world must be in serious ill health if dairy is essential.

70% of people in the world are lactose tolerant.

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:18

Thanks @habbiespond sense at last.

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:19

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 13:59

Vegan is the most unhealthy diet by miles. Children have died because their parents only fed them fake vegan food. Meat and dairy are essential as well as cards. Veganism is leading to rainforest destruction too. Really really bad for your body and the environment but it makes them feel superior and they can tell others off for eating meat which they should be as mammals. Veganism specifically is unethical because its marketed as healthy when it is the opposite.

Where have you got your facts for your post from?

As they are wrong.

habbiespond · 22/03/2023 14:20

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:18

Thanks @habbiespond sense at last.

No problem, now let's duck for cover 😂

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:23

Fuck me. You can't even read the articles that you've linked to. Perhaps all that meat is killing your remaining brain cells hence why you feel faint after not eating meat for a whole 24 hours. Again the problem with these cases is not the vegan part but an inadequate diet with insufficient food. It's perfectly possible to have a carefully balanced healthy vegan diet that will nourish you.

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:25

Protect The Harvest. Yet that seems like a totally unbiased, balanced and reliable source of information.

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:26

@Boomboom22 you are aware in the UK that the NHS recommends that you supplement your child's diet with vitamins from birth?

So if you are breast feeding you are encouraged to supplement with vitamin D. If you are formula feeding you don't need to supplement as formula is fortified vitamins and minerals.

Then once the child is over 1 until they are 5 you are encouraged to give them a daily multi-vitamin. In fact some poorer households are given help to get the multi-vitamins.

This means the extreme diets you are alluded to and posted about aren't likely to happen in the UK by parents following NHS guidelines.

thecatneuterer · 22/03/2023 14:26

2bazookas · 22/03/2023 11:59

Today I saw a Heinz advert promoting their famous tins of Tomato Soup.

Proudly labelled "|Plant-based, vegan".

Perhaps it's for customers whose poor diet impaired their brain function.

Without that label I would have assumed it contained cream. Tomato soup usually does.

thethinendofthewedge · 22/03/2023 14:26

I find meat replica/vegan/plant based supermarket food to be a mixed bag. Some are OK e.g. Quorn escalopes, Flavourists (no)meatball kit but some aren't. It's not just the taste it's the texture. I want to cut down on meat and sometimes want speed and convenience so I will use these types of food now and then. I was hoping for more recommendations on this thread!

Itsneverwhatitseems · 22/03/2023 14:27

vitahelp · 22/03/2023 13:57

Factory farming isn't natural I'm afraid. Most vegetarians aren't opposed to the basic concept of eating meat, but there is a lot more to it than that these days.

No.
Most vegetarians are opposed to the basic concept of eating meat.

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:27

ClaraThePigeon · 22/03/2023 14:23

Fuck me. You can't even read the articles that you've linked to. Perhaps all that meat is killing your remaining brain cells hence why you feel faint after not eating meat for a whole 24 hours. Again the problem with these cases is not the vegan part but an inadequate diet with insufficient food. It's perfectly possible to have a carefully balanced healthy vegan diet that will nourish you.

The poster is also unaware of NHS guidelines around the UK telling parents to give their children under 5 daily vitamins.

Boomboom22 · 22/03/2023 14:27

Also we needs herding and grazing animals for soil health or those vegans wouldn't have anything to eat. If we were all vegetarian how would we maintain the soil? Honestly it's all ideological with little real world holistic thinking.

Itsneverwhatitseems · 22/03/2023 14:28

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:18

70% of people in the world must be in serious ill health if dairy is essential.

70% of people in the world are lactose tolerant.

Could you attach the article about the children who have died from eating fake meat please

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:29

thecatneuterer · 22/03/2023 14:26

Without that label I would have assumed it contained cream. Tomato soup usually does.

I read the ingredients as I don't want people in my household running to the toilet 💩or lying moaning about feeling sick for hours.

Reugny · 22/03/2023 14:31

Itsneverwhatitseems · 22/03/2023 14:28

Could you attach the article about the children who have died from eating fake meat please

@Boomboom22 has posted loads of links. In the links all the parents have fed their children inadequate diets.

This an article I quickly googled about lactose intolerance it gives the figures at 68%
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts

Definition & Facts for Lactose Intolerance - NIDDK

Learn about lactose intolerance, a condition in which you have symptoms—such as bloating, diarrhea, and gas—after you consume foods or drinks that have lactose.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts

Itsneverwhatitseems · 22/03/2023 14:31

thecatneuterer · 22/03/2023 14:26

Without that label I would have assumed it contained cream. Tomato soup usually does.

Plant based is being put on loads of products in order to market them to the widest possible number of consumers.
Its about making money