To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?

[HoppsAndSpice]

Wild Wolves have been reintroduced into Belgium over the last couple of weeks. This has led to the great dismay of the local farming community and outrage from the country as a whole. I am personally thinking about the many farmers who will lose cattle and sheep to the wolves and the impact it will have on their livelihood. Also the impact it will have on the wider ecosystem as a whole which could see various creatures such as rabbits, hares and other small mammals hunted in large quantities.

Wolves have a very inefficient digestive system as do most carnivores which means they need large quantities of meat to survive.

Its a very interesting one but I think this needs resolving urgently as a matter of urgency.

I would suggest a quick Google OP.

Please tell me where France or Belgium is only 20km away from the UK.

OP are these wolves going to be doing back stroke or wolfie paddle across the busiest ship lane in the world. PMSL

It needs to be really clear that….

Wolves did not return off their own accord. Much like other animals in the UK certain fringe groups think they have this god given eight to bring whatever creatures they want anywhere they want. This is clearly not acceptable and must be tackled by those of us with some sense. Many creatures have been introduced (crayfish, squirrels, bison, wolves) without public support or ecological reasons. Just because some nature hating dick woke up one morning and decided it was time to fuck our planet over. My group works closely with victims of these invasive species to eradicate.

What is your group OP?

For anyone who is interested, here is a government paper on eradication of alien crayfish populations.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/290299/sw1-037-tr1-e-e.pdf

OP. Why do you think so many fairy tales have wolves in them? They were native to the UK before eradication.

Oh hello bison.

When the wolves get here let me know and I'll release my sabre toothed tigers, that will sort it

Nooooo don't give the loon ideas!

Look, OP is talking about purifying entire lakes with a homemade filter without anyone in authority noticing. It's safe to say their grip on reality is tenuous at best. Their previous threads have I think pretty much all been deleted.

Get a life OP and stop spreading lies. How pathetic!

Do they not understand that as a landlocked country that the wolves will spread to countless other countries

You lost me at this. Belgium isn't landlocked!

And then this:
The Strait of Dover is only 20km from the closest point from the UK to Belgium

It's 20 miles, so 33km. I don't think wolves can swim that far.

has anyone already posted this
education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/wolves-yellowstone/ the story of what happened when wolves were reintroduced in Yellowstone national park having previously been hunted to exctinction?

Yes they have an impact on the ecosystem - generally, it's a positive one according to at least some entirely respectable scientists. If there are other scientists with an oposing view, the appropriate battleground is to publish rigorously peer-reviewed academic research on the topic in respected academic journals, not trying to rile up public opinion on social messageboard forums online.

How do the white clawed crayfish fare in this purified water that you’ve apparently replaced the lake water with?

Why have people mentioned 'BISON!' a few times? Am I missing something?

Anyone seen storks??

"Wolf pack form a wolf bridge"

🤣🤣🤣

Have you been watching Philomena Cunk, OP?

it’s something she would worry about.

Belgium is landlocked on all sides including the side which faces the uk (landlocked by the UK as it covered the entirety of the border meaning the country doesn’t have a clear view out into the ocean)

Please explain this @HoppsAndSpice as it doesn't make sense. Belgium has a good coastline where lots of Belgians live and they can definitely see out to sea. How does the UK cover the entirety of the border from across the sea?

There's about 20 wolves in the Netherlands.

They do appear to be too tame (an issue that's being addressed) but your fantasy of the wolves targeting ponies and purposly leaving them alive and missing bits of themselves seems unfounded.

I'm sure that farmers in Belgium find the large population of giant rabbits an issue. Obviously different farmers than those with cattle - who will need fences to protect their stock - just as farmers need to take precautions and implememt protective methods already.

Also, as mentioned the OP seems to hugely lack understanding of ecosystems. The re-introduction of predators improve the health of fauna and flora. (Check the aforementioned Yellowstone.) Saying all that I think the OP has jumped the shark with her last few posts, so I reckon we all recognise she isn't really working to eradicate squirrels and crayfish.

Wolves are a keystone species. if you remove them, the species below them in the food chain have no natural predator and go out of control. This is what has happened in Scotland. The highlands of Scotland are not a natural landscape. They are a degraded landscape. They should be deciduous forest. in the absence of natural predators, the deer bred out of control and ate all saplings etc. This, combined with over-logging for timber produced a completely deforested, degraded landscape. To restore the natural balance it would be necessary to bring back wolves.

They'll be coming to the UK through the channel tunnel next and on small boats. Perhaps we should send them to Rwanda😂

Monbiot on rewilding is an interesting read, and he makes some excellent observations. He's highlighting some of the issues that were identified >25 years ago for rewilding (not that it was called that then) in other parts of the world, that are only just being remembered for UK rewilding projects.

Monbiot on precision fermentation comes across as a shill and desperately naïve.

Did you really just compare the English Channel to “a river” OP???

we haven’t managed to be invaded since 1066 because of that “river”

a s now you think wolves are going to be able to swim across??? 😂

Op, if you work with invasive species then you will know well that the wolf is not an invasive species; it's native to Europe (and was native in the UK, before we hunted them all).

And there are about 20 in Belgium. Only 20! They are important because they will pick off injured or ill animals.

Wolves are not going to swim across the Channel, that's just daft.

Have you read www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64940584 ?

Interesting, unbiased article. One farmer interviewed said: 'Maybe some animals just have a right to exist, not just because we find them useful.'

I agree.

This is interesting. They're not being explicitly introduced. They come and go from neighbouring countries.

www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2023/01/20/an-estimated-24-wolves-in-belgium-13-of-which-here-in-flanders/#:~:text=A%20pack%20of%2013%20wolves,wild%20in%20Belgium%20to%2024.

I mean, it’s absurd isn’t it?

Tell us about the licensing requirement for trapping crayfish in the UK @HoppsAndSpice. Presumably you know that you can’t just decide to turn up and empty a lake of crayfish.

And no one has reintroduced them! They walked in from neighbouring countries. As they would have done for centuries.

They were probably established centuries ago when Britain wasn't an island.

To be fair, we've been rather busy invading other places ourselves over that 'river' since 1066.