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To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?

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HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:50

Wild Wolves have been reintroduced into Belgium over the last couple of weeks. This has led to the great dismay of the local farming community and outrage from the country as a whole. I am personally thinking about the many farmers who will lose cattle and sheep to the wolves and the impact it will have on their livelihood. Also the impact it will have on the wider ecosystem as a whole which could see various creatures such as rabbits, hares and other small mammals hunted in large quantities.

Wolves have a very inefficient digestive system as do most carnivores which means they need large quantities of meat to survive.

Its a very interesting one but I think this needs resolving urgently as a matter of urgency.

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HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:19

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 21/03/2023 01:43

Fortunately we are not currently part of the Schengen area so they won't be able to come to the UK.

Plus with those big teeth they have, they could easily puncture an inflatable boat so they are unlikely to try an illegal route.

They will be able to come to the UK. In every kids story and fairytale wolves are shown to be very crafty and this is exactly how they are in real life. Wolves are agile and fast and crossing large bodies of water is no problem for them. They are now in extremely close proximity to the United Kingdom (less than 20km) and that is the exact distance that invasive species often invade from. It must be noted that unlike crayfish they are not primarily in the water but it has been shown they can spend some time underwater like most creatures

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HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:20

Itsneverwhatitseems · 21/03/2023 04:03

Ps
Wolves are hugely intelligent loving animals.
They care for their elderly pack members….not just stick them in a care home
They take turns playing with and looking after each other’s babies including the sick ones
They teach their young…not many of us could cope with home schooling
They form huge family bonds without any rows
They never bully or abandon members of their pack

Theres a lot we could learn from animals that do it all a lot better than we do.

Everything posted here is a lie and just not true. You are clearly part of a proliferation society focused on bringing species across even when they are non native and invasive. My group is against people like you and I need you to know what you are doing is illegal.

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Bloopsie · 21/03/2023 07:21

Most european countries have wild wolves,bears,lynx etc-dont see an issue, they are there to keep vermin population down aka rabbits

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:22

iloveeverykindofcat · 21/03/2023 05:16

Wolves are generally timid aren't they? They stay far away from humans if they can. Most likely they'll keep to the forests.

Unless people get stupid and start feeding them, which is always a possibility.

There are large swathes of land in the UK where wolves could live for extended period of time with little to zero contsct with humans

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FurAndFeathers · 21/03/2023 07:23

HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:59

Wolves are a non native species to Europe and the UK and actually what’s been advised here is that many of the countries listed have invasive species of wolves which are attempting to kill species and other wolves etc. I am most interested in what we can do to stop the wolves and also stop the wolves from spreading into the United Kingdom which we already have several invasive species including squirrels and crayfish.

Of course they’re native.

honestly you sound a bit dim

i assume this is done kind of tedious wind up?

FurAndFeathers · 21/03/2023 07:23

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:20

Everything posted here is a lie and just not true. You are clearly part of a proliferation society focused on bringing species across even when they are non native and invasive. My group is against people like you and I need you to know what you are doing is illegal.

Ah yes.
a wind up

RSintes · 21/03/2023 07:23

"The main issue is that the species of wolves are non native to Belgium and that is what I am trying to say. Whereas Belgium is landlocked the wolves will be able to walk from country to country spreading as far east as Russia and euro Asia."

What I'd like to know OP is how these wolves have better freedom of movement on the continent than us post-Brexit UK passport holders??

And I was literally on the Belgian coast the other week, so landlocked isn't a term I'd use for that country.

Those Luxembourg otters and Swiss ferrets meanwhile......

Rosula · 21/03/2023 07:26

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:09

You can often see across the channel on clear days which means many wolves would have clear line of sight across the Strait of Dover.

Right, OP, imagine you're a wolf in France. You've got the whole of Europe to wander around. One day you look up and see a big stretch of water and the white cliffs of Dover on the other side. What is there about that sight that would make you want to risk drowning to get there?

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:27

bussteward · 21/03/2023 04:22

Please share more about your personal experience of trying to eradicate crayfish. Do you mean eating a lot of Pret salads? Perhaps Pret could do a wolf salad, keep on top of the population. They’d be a bit stringy after swimming 20km but someone has to do something.

The American Crayfish first landed in the 1970’s and invaded the UK after that. I first became aware of the problem in the early 90s when i read an article about them and how they’d nearly killed off the English crayfish. I found this disgusting and worked hard with a local angling association to clear one of their lakes of crayfish. It was there I met my husband who helped me clear one entire lake of crayfish which took many years. We found out that many crayfish can’t stand certain brands of purified water (filtered) and realised the key to crayfish eradication was the complete removal of the lake water and the replacement with a purified (filtered) water. We created our own pump to achieve this and have been going across the country tackling the problem in certain lakes. Just to be clear this has no impact on the fish, other wildlife or otters and our key focus is to keep native species alive and remove all invasive species. Whilst we are purifying lakes we also bring along traps for squirrels to capture and eradicate.

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pettysquabbles · 21/03/2023 07:28

Lucanus · 21/03/2023 00:03

Where on earth are you getting your information from? It's a complete load of rubbish. Wolves have been native to Europe for hundreds of thousands of years - they are certainly not invasive and they are not going to kill off native species.

This. The OP is clueless.

Testina · 21/03/2023 07:29

“In every kids story and fairytale wolves are shown to be very crafty and this is exactly how they are in real life.”

OP is dead right about this.
All of you laughing about them crossing the channel. They don’t need to swim, you idiots! They’ll take the ferry like anyone else - but in disguise.

To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?
Rosula · 21/03/2023 07:29

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:13

I am part of a team of people dedicated to the eradication of invasive species so we have been trying to resolve the grey squirrel and American crayfish problem through eradication. We currently do not have the resource to deal with the threat that a third massively invasive species (wolves) would cause which is why it’s such a problem for me.

There you go, the wolves will eat the grey squirrels and crayfish.

Teenangels · 21/03/2023 07:30

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:19

They will be able to come to the UK. In every kids story and fairytale wolves are shown to be very crafty and this is exactly how they are in real life. Wolves are agile and fast and crossing large bodies of water is no problem for them. They are now in extremely close proximity to the United Kingdom (less than 20km) and that is the exact distance that invasive species often invade from. It must be noted that unlike crayfish they are not primarily in the water but it has been shown they can spend some time underwater like most creatures

OP, I think you need to actually think about what you are writing.

Calais to Dover is 27 miles, the shortest distance between Belgium to the UK is 54 miles not your 20km.

Wolves we're native across the whole of Europe and we're common in the UK. Until they were hunted to extinction.

If you go on holiday to Spain Costa del Sol go up to the mountains less than a 45 min drive and there is a population of wolves.

I think you need to give your head a wobble.

Teenangels · 21/03/2023 07:30

Testina · 21/03/2023 07:29

“In every kids story and fairytale wolves are shown to be very crafty and this is exactly how they are in real life.”

OP is dead right about this.
All of you laughing about them crossing the channel. They don’t need to swim, you idiots! They’ll take the ferry like anyone else - but in disguise.

This has made my day. Thank you

liveforsummer · 21/03/2023 07:31

So I doubt the wolves will be heading in droves away from secluded forests where there is an abundance of food, down to the open and exposed coast where there is little. Only to attempt a 20 mile swim. If they did though, surely they'd help with your squirrel problem?!

Testina · 21/03/2023 07:31

“We found out that many crayfish can’t stand certain brands of purified water (filtered) and realised the key to crayfish eradication was the complete removal of the lake water and the replacement with a purified (filtered) water”

You are definitely committed (or should be 😉).
Not to lake purification: that did not happen.
But to providing entertainment on here!

Quisquam · 21/03/2023 07:32

NRTFT, wolves were native to the UK, until driven to extinction by humans. I am pretty sure, there are native wolves in the Tatras mountains in Poland.

Deer have to be culled in Scotland, because there are no apex predators in the UK, except humans. Iirc, Chris Packham said Muntjac deer are doing tremendous damage to trees, because they are an invasive species.

I am more worried about coming across pit bull type dogs, trained to be aggressive by their owners in cities, than I would be by wolves in the countryside. Imo, there should be dog licences; it’s on the news every few months about how someone was killed by a dog!

PlateBilledDuckyPerson · 21/03/2023 07:33

TheGuv1982 · 21/03/2023 07:06

I for one welcome our new wolf overlords.

😂

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:34

liveforsummer · 21/03/2023 07:31

So I doubt the wolves will be heading in droves away from secluded forests where there is an abundance of food, down to the open and exposed coast where there is little. Only to attempt a 20 mile swim. If they did though, surely they'd help with your squirrel problem?!

You are not understanding. The worry is that the wolves will hunt native rabbits and native cattle and sheep to extinction as they have with many species in the past and then start crossing into landlocked neighbouring countries or attempting to cross the Strait of Dover. Wolves have an extreme ability to survive which is how they are growing and flourishing right now despite being hunted to near extinction. Wolves also do not often prey on animals that live in trees like squirrels Nd find it hard to catch them due to their poor eyesore.

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SquidwardBound · 21/03/2023 07:35

I simply don’t believe that this OP works in environmental conservation in any meaningful way. Apparently ‘squirrels’ are an invasive species - surely anyone involved in this stuff would distinguish between red and grey squirrels.

If she did, she’d not be making ridiculous comments about wolves swimming the channel. And she’d understand the difference between an invasive non-native species but has been imported by humans inappropriately (so North American crayfish then) and a previously native species that was eradicated in the UK by human activities (leaving a predator shaped gap in the ecosystem).

Instead we’ve just got ill-informed scaremongering nonsense.

Florenz · 21/03/2023 07:36

I don't see the OPs point at all. There's already wolves on the Eurasian continent, wolves haven't walked from Russia to Belgium upto now, so why would they suddenly be doing the opposite?

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:36

Teenangels · 21/03/2023 07:30

OP, I think you need to actually think about what you are writing.

Calais to Dover is 27 miles, the shortest distance between Belgium to the UK is 54 miles not your 20km.

Wolves we're native across the whole of Europe and we're common in the UK. Until they were hunted to extinction.

If you go on holiday to Spain Costa del Sol go up to the mountains less than a 45 min drive and there is a population of wolves.

I think you need to give your head a wobble.

There are groups of people (some on this thread) working to bring the wolves to the UK and now they are max 20km away (that’s the actual maths when you take into account travel distance from point to point) it wouldn’t be difficult for the wolves to cross on their own and even less difficult for them to cross with the added support of the proliferation groups.

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Florenz · 21/03/2023 07:37

You might as well say "what if lions walked here from Kenya" or "What if tigers walked from Nepal to Belgium" or "what if bears walked here from China"?

DogInATent · 21/03/2023 07:38
  1. Wolves are already in northern Germany and Holland, and occasional cross into Belgium.
  2. Wolves are a native species to Europe.
  3. Do you also object to tigers in India and lions/elephants in Africa, or is it just poor people somewhere else that have to live with natural wildlife that might be a bit scary?
Untitledsquatboulder · 21/03/2023 07:38

So this is the latest fear of Little Britain - wolves crossing the Channel in small boats.

The OP is no more a conservationist than I am an international financier.

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