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To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?

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HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:50

Wild Wolves have been reintroduced into Belgium over the last couple of weeks. This has led to the great dismay of the local farming community and outrage from the country as a whole. I am personally thinking about the many farmers who will lose cattle and sheep to the wolves and the impact it will have on their livelihood. Also the impact it will have on the wider ecosystem as a whole which could see various creatures such as rabbits, hares and other small mammals hunted in large quantities.

Wolves have a very inefficient digestive system as do most carnivores which means they need large quantities of meat to survive.

Its a very interesting one but I think this needs resolving urgently as a matter of urgency.

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bussteward · 21/03/2023 07:53

Rosula · 21/03/2023 07:26

Right, OP, imagine you're a wolf in France. You've got the whole of Europe to wander around. One day you look up and see a big stretch of water and the white cliffs of Dover on the other side. What is there about that sight that would make you want to risk drowning to get there?

Morley’s chicken and Poundland.

halloumi1 · 21/03/2023 07:53

I’m sitting here reading this, trying so hard not to wake my sleeping baby up with my sniggering. What an absolute giggle, thank you all

Hadjab · 21/03/2023 07:53

HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:59

Wolves are a non native species to Europe and the UK and actually what’s been advised here is that many of the countries listed have invasive species of wolves which are attempting to kill species and other wolves etc. I am most interested in what we can do to stop the wolves and also stop the wolves from spreading into the United Kingdom which we already have several invasive species including squirrels and crayfish.

Take away their passports?

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 07:54

I am helpless with laughter at the OP's assertion that she and her husband are going around emptying entire lakes and refilling with purified water 😂😂

What are you emptying the crayfish polluted water into OP? 🤔

PS
You really really don't understand the meaning of "landlocked".

RomulusAndRemus · 21/03/2023 07:54

We won't hear a bad word said against wolves.

FriNightBlues · 21/03/2023 07:54

When did Belgium become landlocked?

Wolves have been spotted in Luxembourg for a few months - I think they’re trying to get their offshore accounts in order.

FrothyB · 21/03/2023 07:55

Just to validate the OPs fears slightly. In the First World War large numbers of Wolves were driven out of the forests of Lithuania and parts of Belarus as the fighting on the Eastern Front destroyed their territory and depleted their food supply.

Packs of starving wolves, sometimes hundreds in number would descend apon battlefields and attack/finish off wounded soldiers, or even attacking groups of soldiers on patrol. Over 50 were killed at one skirmish where Russian and German troops stopped fighting each other to combat the massive pack that had descended apon them.

The situation became so bad that for a brief period over the winter of 1917 the Russian and German commanders in the area called a truce and put all their efforts into clearing the region of the wolf packs, with several hundred wolves killed and the rest scattered.

And now they are just a short 20 mile swim across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. Tbh I'm shaking just thinking about it.

SquidwardBound · 21/03/2023 07:55

Zonder · 21/03/2023 07:48

Belgium is landlocked on all sides including the side which faces the uk (landlocked by the UK as it covered the entirety of the border meaning the country doesn’t have a clear view out into the ocean)

Please explain this @HoppsAndSpice as it doesn't make sense. Belgium has a good coastline where lots of Belgians live and they can definitely see out to sea. How does the UK cover the entirety of the border from across the sea?

I think she’s considering the English Channel as a mere stream. This means Britain is no longer an island it seems. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hadjab · 21/03/2023 07:56

Whilst the Belgian rabbits are very large and often the butt of the joke amongst their community it is not fair that on this basis alone they should be hunted to extinction by invasive wolves

Ok, this is the point at which the shark was truly jumped.

SoupDragon · 21/03/2023 07:57

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:13

Belgium is landlocked on all sides including the side which faces the uk (landlocked by the UK as it covered the entirety of the border meaning the country doesn’t have a clear view out into the ocean)

How the fuck can a country be "landlocked" by one that is an island and when it has its own coastline!?? 🤦🏻‍♀️

SquidwardBound · 21/03/2023 07:57

FrothyB · 21/03/2023 07:55

Just to validate the OPs fears slightly. In the First World War large numbers of Wolves were driven out of the forests of Lithuania and parts of Belarus as the fighting on the Eastern Front destroyed their territory and depleted their food supply.

Packs of starving wolves, sometimes hundreds in number would descend apon battlefields and attack/finish off wounded soldiers, or even attacking groups of soldiers on patrol. Over 50 were killed at one skirmish where Russian and German troops stopped fighting each other to combat the massive pack that had descended apon them.

The situation became so bad that for a brief period over the winter of 1917 the Russian and German commanders in the area called a truce and put all their efforts into clearing the region of the wolf packs, with several hundred wolves killed and the rest scattered.

And now they are just a short 20 mile swim across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. Tbh I'm shaking just thinking about it.

How is that in way way comparable?

I bet you’re not shaking at the thought of wolves in Belgium.

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 07:58

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/03/2023 07:47

Have you been watching Philomena Cunk, OP?

it’s something she would worry about.

Yes!!!!!

That's who OP is reminding me of!!! So gloriously wrong and hilarious 😂

AnImaginaryCat · 21/03/2023 07:58

Sunriseinwonderland · 21/03/2023 07:48

They'll be coming to the UK through the channel tunnel next and on small boats. Perhaps we should send them to Rwanda😂

You know what this puts me in mind of (the Channel Tunnel bit, rather than wolves on boats bit). The belief, way back when the Channel Tunnel was proposed, that rabid dogs would get into England.

This fear didn't quite hit fever pitch but I Imagine if MN was about then we would need a Channel Tunnel section to contain the numerous threads for those panicking about it. (Possibly also threads where posters could advise each other on best way to barricade themselves into their homes to avoid the packs of rabid dogs on Day One.)

piedbeauty · 21/03/2023 07:58

It must be noted that unlike crayfish they are not primarily in the water but it has been shown they can spend some time underwater like most creatures

Oh, op. Are you ok? I think you should step back from this thread. You're just posting nonsense now.

AxolotlOnions · 21/03/2023 07:58

Wolves have reintroduced themselves to Belgium from France and Germany. It's not some invasive species, there's been wolves in Europe for thousands of years.

JeannieAlogy · 21/03/2023 07:59

StrawHatOnTheParcelShelf · 21/03/2023 00:00

I'm pretty sure they won't be swimming the Channel or climbing onto the roof of the Eurostar.

And they probably wouldn't take too kindly to being stowed in someone's luggage.

Wolves, bears, and lynx were part of many ecosystems. It is their removal that has led to the population explosion of deer (particularly) and rabbits, both of which are very detrimental to ecosystem balance.

DogInATent · 21/03/2023 08:00

FrothyB · 21/03/2023 07:55

Just to validate the OPs fears slightly. In the First World War large numbers of Wolves were driven out of the forests of Lithuania and parts of Belarus as the fighting on the Eastern Front destroyed their territory and depleted their food supply.

Packs of starving wolves, sometimes hundreds in number would descend apon battlefields and attack/finish off wounded soldiers, or even attacking groups of soldiers on patrol. Over 50 were killed at one skirmish where Russian and German troops stopped fighting each other to combat the massive pack that had descended apon them.

The situation became so bad that for a brief period over the winter of 1917 the Russian and German commanders in the area called a truce and put all their efforts into clearing the region of the wolf packs, with several hundred wolves killed and the rest scattered.

And now they are just a short 20 mile swim across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. Tbh I'm shaking just thinking about it.

The only source for that tale is one NYT article. There are no German or Russian contemporary sources.

piedbeauty · 21/03/2023 08:00

Packs of wolves crossed the land bridge to the UK in the last ice age about 10,000 years ago: wolves.live/the-history-of-wolves-in-the-uk/

Hadjab · 21/03/2023 08:00

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:13

I am part of a team of people dedicated to the eradication of invasive species so we have been trying to resolve the grey squirrel and American crayfish problem through eradication. We currently do not have the resource to deal with the threat that a third massively invasive species (wolves) would cause which is why it’s such a problem for me.

Actually, no. This is the pinnacle of shark jumping.

DogInATent · 21/03/2023 08:00

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 07:58

Yes!!!!!

That's who OP is reminding me of!!! So gloriously wrong and hilarious 😂

I was thinking Ann Widdecombe on glue.

Zonder · 21/03/2023 08:01

DogInATent · 21/03/2023 08:00

The only source for that tale is one NYT article. There are no German or Russian contemporary sources.

Plus we are not at war and don't have lots of injured soldiers lying around in Belgium or the UK.

SquidwardBound · 21/03/2023 08:02

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 07:54

I am helpless with laughter at the OP's assertion that she and her husband are going around emptying entire lakes and refilling with purified water 😂😂

What are you emptying the crayfish polluted water into OP? 🤔

PS
You really really don't understand the meaning of "landlocked".

I don’t think she understands the meaning of many things, not just landlocked.

The image of her and her husband going round emptying whole lakes with their own home-made purifying system and ‘solving’ the crayfish problem is with no other effects at all is very funny indeed.

And the idea that no one minds this too.

Oh and trapping all the squirrels while they’re at it.

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 08:03

the key to crayfish eradication was the complete removal of the lake water and the replacement with a purified (filtered) water. We created our own pump to achieve this and have been going across the country tackling the problem in certain lakes.

Weeping with laughter 😅comedy gold

WeWereInParis · 21/03/2023 08:03

You can often see across the channel on clear days which means many wolves would have clear line of sight across the Strait of Dover.

I think OP is on a wind up. Wolves will be able to see Dover? So they can plot, chicken run style, how to get here?

ElizaMulvil · 21/03/2023 08:05

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/03/2023 00:21

OK once. Once a wolf ate a person.

The exception that proves the rule.

There is some historical research from France of wolf attacks. This suggests that 'once a wolf ate a person' is an underestimate of the threat.

1st number Victims of predatory wolves
2nd Victims of rabid wolves
3rd Rabid wolf attacks

1686-1690 25 1 1
1691-1695 262 26 6
1696-1700 84 4 3
1701-1705 7 15 5
1706-1710 52 43 10
1711-1715 172 246 13
1716-1720 61 135 9
1721-1725 5 49 20
1726-1730 31 116 24
1731-1735 57 21 11
1736-1740 24 146 19
1741-1745 99 9 7
1746-1750 151 83 19
1751-1755 138 34 15
1756-1760 63 30 12
1761-1765 151 109 16
1766-1770 68 106 24
1771-1775 9 101 26
1776-1780 17 72 15
1781-1785 9 81 12
1786-1790 11 42 12
1791-1795 7 61 10
1796-1800 40 228 54
1801-1805 38 185 43
1806-1810 33 67 15
1811-1815 96 181 28
1816-1820 66 103 20
1821-1825 10 86 13
1826-1830 2 60 16
1831-1835 3 31 9
1836-1840 0 36 5
1841-1845 4 3 2
1846-1850 4 27 4
1851-1855 1 51 3
1856-1860 3 6 2
1861-1865 2 2 1
1866-1870 0 5 3
1871-1875 1 21 8

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