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To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?

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HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:50

Wild Wolves have been reintroduced into Belgium over the last couple of weeks. This has led to the great dismay of the local farming community and outrage from the country as a whole. I am personally thinking about the many farmers who will lose cattle and sheep to the wolves and the impact it will have on their livelihood. Also the impact it will have on the wider ecosystem as a whole which could see various creatures such as rabbits, hares and other small mammals hunted in large quantities.

Wolves have a very inefficient digestive system as do most carnivores which means they need large quantities of meat to survive.

Its a very interesting one but I think this needs resolving urgently as a matter of urgency.

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GCAcademic · 21/03/2023 06:47

greenacrylicpaint · 21/03/2023 06:32

Do they not understand that as a landlocked country that the wolves will spread to countless other countries including the whole European continent, Russia and euro-Asia?

wolfs are already in germany and the netherlands.
partly introduced
partly natural immigration.

yabu
it's not a big issue.

You can blame the bloody Schengen zone for that. Thank god for Brexit. If those bloody European wolves try to migrate here, Suella has lined up luxury facilities in Rwanda for them.

loislovesstewie · 21/03/2023 06:48

Very funny post OP. Just loving the idea of wolves, presumably in sheep's clothing, coming across the Channel.

Nimbostratus100 · 21/03/2023 06:50

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:13

I am part of a team of people dedicated to the eradication of invasive species so we have been trying to resolve the grey squirrel and American crayfish problem through eradication. We currently do not have the resource to deal with the threat that a third massively invasive species (wolves) would cause which is why it’s such a problem for me.

well, I dont know why you are meddling around "trying to eradicate invasive species" when according to your posts, you are not able to identify an "invasive" species, and have incorrectly identified several.

Wolves are native to Europe, and bring stability and balance to European ecosystems. They have always lived here, and hopefully always will. No "reintroduction", just the ebb and flow of natural populations

SixPenny · 21/03/2023 06:53

Well that little red riding hood had best watch out if those big bad wolves are going to be booking ferry tickets.

Whowhatwherewhenwhy1 · 21/03/2023 06:55

Deer populations and the damage they do are a much bigger problem for nature and the environment than wolves. The damage deer are doing is appalling. Do you know how many deer are culled in Ireland alone? You need to do some better research and get tour knowledge from more reliable sources.

padsi1975 · 21/03/2023 06:57

StrawHatOnTheParcelShelf · 21/03/2023 00:00

I'm pretty sure they won't be swimming the Channel or climbing onto the roof of the Eurostar.

Thanks for the early morning laugh strawman! This made me laugh out loud.

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 21/03/2023 06:59

I honestly can't work out if the OP is being genuine or if this is a massive piss take.

Thanks to this thread I now want to see a film about wolves taking over and having the ability to cross big rivers aka the English Channel-

Just in case the Wolves also master the internet...all hail our lupine masters!

padsi1975 · 21/03/2023 07:01

MoggyMittens23 · 21/03/2023 06:11

This from the PP and the reply from
the OP are comedy gold

I'm so happy I opened this thread. Haven't cried from laughing in ages.

CornedBeef451 · 21/03/2023 07:01

They were re introduced to Yellowstone (I think) and apparently they do amazing things for the environment.

Yes the my kill animals but those animals eat the plants and trees, allow the trees and plants to grow and biodiversity increases, more types of plants grow, more insects arrive, more birds arrive to eat the insects, more small creatures arrive, it's weird but amazing.

I'll try and find the article I read about it.

CornedBeef451 · 21/03/2023 07:03

Rewilding Yellowstone www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/25/yellowstone-wolf-project-25th-anniversary

WonderingWanda · 21/03/2023 07:05

When the reintroduced the wolves to Yellowstone it has a very positive impact on the ecosystem as a whole.

www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem/

CornedBeef451 · 21/03/2023 07:05

There might be plans to introduce them to Scotland too!

ukwct.org.uk/files/reintroducing.pdf

padsi1975 · 21/03/2023 07:05

Testina · 21/03/2023 00:09

“The Wolf which has been reintroduced into Belgium has the potential to become an invasive species and kill off native creatures in Russia etc.”

I’ll bite.

Given that Russia already has wolves, why exactly are we worrying about Belgian wolves crossing the Volga, but have not been worried about - and even bothered by - Russian wolves in search of waffles?

I'm glad you bit! 😂

Joystir59 · 21/03/2023 07:05

HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:59

Wolves are a non native species to Europe and the UK and actually what’s been advised here is that many of the countries listed have invasive species of wolves which are attempting to kill species and other wolves etc. I am most interested in what we can do to stop the wolves and also stop the wolves from spreading into the United Kingdom which we already have several invasive species including squirrels and crayfish.

How would wolves get to the UK?

TheGuv1982 · 21/03/2023 07:06

I for one welcome our new wolf overlords.

Joystir59 · 21/03/2023 07:07

padsi1975 · 21/03/2023 07:01

I'm so happy I opened this thread. Haven't cried from laughing in ages.

That's made me chuckle, thank you 😀

BMW6 · 21/03/2023 07:09

PMSL at the image of wolves sitting on a Belgian beach staring across 20km of sea to Dover and swimming it in the hopes of rich pickings at the end.

WolfieWolfie · 21/03/2023 07:12

the reintroduction of wolves do Yellowstone had an amazing effect on the ecosystem there, it absolutely flourished.

Anyway, it’s the bison you want to be worried about

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:13

ClairDeLaLune · 21/03/2023 00:58

But you said Belgium was land-locked! (It isn’t) How are they going to swim to England? 🤷‍♀️ 😂

Belgium is landlocked on all sides including the side which faces the uk (landlocked by the UK as it covered the entirety of the border meaning the country doesn’t have a clear view out into the ocean)

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WolfieWolfie · 21/03/2023 07:13

WonderingWanda · 21/03/2023 07:05

When the reintroduced the wolves to Yellowstone it has a very positive impact on the ecosystem as a whole.

www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem/

Dammit someone beat me to it

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:14

SunshineGeorgie · 21/03/2023 00:36

Invasive species like crayfish....and humans. Humans are good at destroying everything too..

Humans are different as they are a species which is aware of what it is doing and are trying to reduce the impact of their invasive nature. Crayfish do not care and are considered to be slowing killing all lakes and rivers especially previous gravel pits which are now used for fishing.

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WonderingWanda · 21/03/2023 07:15

@WolfieWolfie I think @CornedBeef451 beat me to it as well.

What I want to know is are you both geography teachers who use this as an example of ecosystem change as well?

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:16

ClairDeLaLune · 21/03/2023 01:04

You eradicate squirrels??? That’s horrible OP ☹️

It is illegal to release invasive species once captured and the group I am apart of captures squirrels and crayfish and therefore has to then humanely remove them and euthanise for the good of the countryside and all other wildlife. We have tried containment but due to the vast quantities we catch it is just not viable.

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HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:17

Branster · 21/03/2023 02:09

This is madness OP. You need to calm down.
Farmers will get proper sheepdogs if wolves become a real problem - like they do in countries with wolves and bears populations. Of course you will have the problem of introducing non native sheepdogs but hopefully you'll survive that worry.

I can guarantee you that no Belgian wolf will ever cross paths with you in the UK (or Belgium even),
Wolves have no interest in getting close to humans. You'll be fine.
Rabbits and the like will survive as a species without any problem.

Let nature take it's course and

The main issue is that the species of wolves are non native to Belgium and that is what I am trying to say. Whereas Belgium is landlocked the wolves will be able to walk from country to country spreading as far east as Russia and euro Asia.

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Alexandra2001 · 21/03/2023 07:18

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 07:14

Humans are different as they are a species which is aware of what it is doing and are trying to reduce the impact of their invasive nature. Crayfish do not care and are considered to be slowing killing all lakes and rivers especially previous gravel pits which are now used for fishing.

The evidence is that Humans are indeed aware of what they are doing but are carrying on regardless, the destruction we have wrought on the environment far exceeds anything wild animals have done.

Interesting you say Crayfish are killing off lakes/gravel pits used for course fishing, a sport, not for food... totally unnecessary.

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