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Ofsted needs to be abolished - further details

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 07:53

Have started a new thread as think it’s important this doesn’t just get lost on my previous thread

The Ofsted report for the school where the head teacher died has been published …

They are toxic and need reform immediately.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4765105-ofsted-needs-to-be-abolished-trigger-warning?page=1

Ofsted needs to be abolished - further details
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whattodo8 · 19/03/2023 08:39

needmorecoffeeandcake · 18/03/2023 08:57

Seeing as Ofsted have published this with an additional bullet point, I would be interested in a FOI request to see the draft report and that would have been sent to the school well in advance of publication.

I'd be surprised if you'd get it. It'll be draft because it wasn't cleared for publishing and will be considered an internal and confidential document at that point. I work in the public sector and deal with a lot of FOIs and there is no way you'd get a draft version of something that was then published.

Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 19/03/2023 08:40

Oblomov23 · 18/03/2023 16:21

I have clopper. I disagree.

Many Head's get bad ofsteds reports, people get sacked, made redundant, other really bad job issues. It's common. Hopefully most are resolvable.

Everyone, in and out of school, tries to teach our children (in fact all people) to reach out, talk, if things are very bad. To reduce suicides.

You can encourage people to reach out and talk as much as you like, but if they're in a situation where their life's work is being shit on from a great height under high stress conditions, well, there's only so much talking about it is going to achieve.

Teachers do SO much these days, for every thread on here disparaging their school days for head teachers ignoring the poster's poverty or abuse or awful home life, these days it's tackled. And in the case of most teachers they are both on the front line and the last resort of a slow, underfunded social services, an inadequate CAHMS. The head teacher of my school said "If we get this girl sorted now, if we get it right, then she does well in her sats and has a fighting chance for her GCSEs and her future. If we get it wrong and she school refuses or becomes unhappy, we've stuffed up her life". That acute pressure, day in day out, then to be told you're a failure at what you do?

There's not much talking or empty platitudes that can help you back from that. It's going to break people.

Bernadinetta · 19/03/2023 08:50

Article from 2019 about Alan Derry who was the lead inspector and HMI on the Caversham ofsted. Apparently he was “bullied out” of his headship at that time 🤔
www.bicesteradvertiser.net/news/17748984.headteacher-gagle-brook-school-bicester-bullied-job/

Shinyandnew1 · 19/03/2023 09:34

Bernadinetta · 19/03/2023 08:50

Article from 2019 about Alan Derry who was the lead inspector and HMI on the Caversham ofsted. Apparently he was “bullied out” of his headship at that time 🤔
www.bicesteradvertiser.net/news/17748984.headteacher-gagle-brook-school-bicester-bullied-job/

Goodness!

I wonder if Ofsted will be carrying out any sort of enquiry here?

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2lostsouls · 19/03/2023 21:08

If it hasn’t been added already, here is a link to a petition and a link to a fundraiser for her family. The system has to change.

AdaLane · 19/03/2023 22:12

And I would add, please don’t just comment here, write to your MP, to Gillian Keegan - Education Secretary, Nick Gibb, minister for schools, Amanda Spielman OFSTED and your Regional Director, OFSTED..

Support the changes that are needed. Don’t let this headteacher’s death go unnoticed. The damage an inadequate judgement does is horrific ( job loss, public humiliation, career ending) and all part of this governments determination to academise schools.

Shocking for this headteacher and her family. 🖤

HowardKirksConscience · 19/03/2023 23:11

If you dig elsewhere on the net you’ll find that this HMI inspector was the head of a school which closed after it was found to require improvement in all areas in an Ofsted report of 2019. So he will know how it feels.

noblegiraffe · 19/03/2023 23:22

The problem is the process and the organisation. I think individuals should be left out of it.

There's a suggestion from the family that heads should boycott Ofsted. I hope that happens, to force reform.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 20/03/2023 10:29

There are a few inaccuracies on this thread.

The Ofsted report in question didn't appear on the Ofsted website last week. It was on the school website, but only after the media reporting had started. Our Ofsted report was out 2 weeks ago, is on our school website, but has still not yet appeared on the Ofsted site.

The line about the Head's death appeared after the first draft of the report, so was edited in. She died after the draft report was issued. That's the most awful act from Ofsted in my opinion - that 30 years worth of experience, was whittled down to one bullet point between one about afterschool club provision and something about curriculum. Shouldn't have been put in, even if staff changes would normally be mentioned.

I don't think it's helpful to name and shame individual HMI or inspectors in this case, or drag up anything from his past. This is a complicated issue around mental health, and its hardly helping that individuals wellbeing either.

I hope as a first response, heads stop acting as inspectors. But it won't happen, because there are some selfish folk out there.

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2023 11:40

A headteacher has just refused to be Ofsteded. Got the call and said no.
twitter.com/florascooper/status/1637760884243066881?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

saraclara · 20/03/2023 11:46

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2023 11:40

A headteacher has just refused to be Ofsteded. Got the call and said no.
twitter.com/florascooper/status/1637760884243066881?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

Wow. I wonder what repercussions there'll be.

AdaLane · 20/03/2023 13:31

Brave lady standing her ground in preventing the inspection in her school. Too many times do we all ‘allow’ inspections to happen. I know of a school leader, where OFSTED would not defer, her oncologist said she would die without her radiotherapy treatment so she went for it and straight to school for the inspection.
Madness that leaders are put in this position.

Now is the time for other head teachers to follow suit. This has to escalate. If all leaders do this, Ofsted have to make changes.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/03/2023 14:31

Article about Flora Cooper here: schoolsweek.co.uk/head-plans-to-refuse-ofsted-inspectors-entry-following-ruth-perry-death/

She's reported to have said herself "I don’t know what I’m doing ...", so I guess she'd do well to find out

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 20/03/2023 14:36

(2)It is an offence intentionally to obstruct the Chief Inspector in relation to the inspection of a school for the purposes of section 5 or 8.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (2) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

Level 4 is a £2,500 fine. Which I'm sure the NAHT will stump up for. She won't have any issue getting jobs if she gets sacked.

HowardKirksConscience · 20/03/2023 18:28

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 20/03/2023 14:36

(2)It is an offence intentionally to obstruct the Chief Inspector in relation to the inspection of a school for the purposes of section 5 or 8.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (2) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

Level 4 is a £2,500 fine. Which I'm sure the NAHT will stump up for. She won't have any issue getting jobs if she gets sacked.

Unions are not allowed to pay this kind of fine, although if she started a GoFundMe than I've no doubt it will be paid that way.

Shinyandnew1 · 20/03/2023 18:44

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2023 11:40

A headteacher has just refused to be Ofsteded. Got the call and said no.
twitter.com/florascooper/status/1637760884243066881?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

I’ve just seen this on Twitter- has the head teacher changed her mind?

Ofsted needs to be abolished - further details
Postapocalypticcowgirl · 20/03/2023 19:13

Yellowdays · 19/03/2023 08:28

@Oblomov23 I agree. Schools must be inspected, and many have improved as a result. That's great for kids, and it's important for kids. A high quality education matters, and kids shouldn't be written off in shittily run schools.

That said, I don't know the Ofsted process these days, and it does need to be fit for purpose, including doable for staff. It should be challenging. Although not ridiculously so, or unnecessarily bureaucratic, and it should measure the right things. It's difficult for outsiders to judge, because teachers have always complained about it, in its various iterations.

Also I don't think education (which Ofsted is judging) should be endlessly tinkered with because of political ideology (history). Making it more relevant to the modern world, I do think is worthwhile (modern computer teaching).

Schools should-and don't-have the proper money to appoint staff and have half a chance to succeed.

There's a new Ofsted framework of "deep dives" which many, many primary teachers say is not fit for purpose.

You effectively have to have a "lead" for each NC subject. If you are a small primary, even single form entry, that cam mean teachers leading multiple subjects, and the burden becomes quite high very quickly. It's a lot of pressure on classroom teachers, and people above ECT level don't really get to opt out in smaller schools.

I think it's something that needs looking at urgently.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 20/03/2023 19:15

Shinyandnew1 · 20/03/2023 18:44

I’ve just seen this on Twitter- has the head teacher changed her mind?

Interesting this has come via a journalist and not anyone official.

I'd wait to hear from the head herself.

Manybeards · 20/03/2023 19:15

My subject had a deep dive, and the inspector admitted he didn’t know much about it, total farce

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2023 19:17

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 20/03/2023 19:15

Interesting this has come via a journalist and not anyone official.

I'd wait to hear from the head herself.

They can't legally refuse to let them in and so the inspection is going ahead.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 20/03/2023 20:05

noblegiraffe · 20/03/2023 19:17

They can't legally refuse to let them in and so the inspection is going ahead.

Surely the head knew that when she tweeted initially though?

So why tweet it at all in the first place?

It all seems very odd...

VerveClique · 20/03/2023 20:06

I’ve worked in school governance.

I’ve seen a HT employ someone who was on the Barred List, due to a complete lack of good safeguarding practice. Our children are entitled to be safe at school above all else. Safeguarding is not negotiable. Whether it should be so intrinsically linked to all other aspects of school life to the extent that safeguarding alone is a pass/fail issue for Offered is another question.

I think the issue about standards in schools is much more fundamental.

Chairs of Governors are AFAIK volunteers who are appointed by other volunteers. They can bring all sorts of ‘baggage’ To the role and aren’t necessarily good at the job or supportive of the staff.

Governors must be the largest volunteer workforce in the country. No real qualifications or experience are required, and yet they hold so much responsibility for school leadership.

The HT role is an absolute beast of a job. Lonely, responsible often for everything from the curriculum, to safeguarding, to the state of the roof… no training can really prepare anyone for that. Hence many schools become bullying fiefdoms run by HTs who’ll do anything to get through the next Ofsted.

And in the process of staffing this rather precarious HT workforce, we take lots of talented senior teachers out of the classroom, who then become deskilled.

School governance requires complete reform. There should be ‘School Managers’ and ‘Heads of Curriculum’. Personally I’d make teaching a pretty-much 8.40-4.30 year-round job without the long school closure periods for teachers, and with much more regular hours. The crazy unbounded life of a teacher is completely unsustainable and open to abuse.

As for an inspectorate, that should be redesigned once the above is sorted. I don’t agree that inspectors can only be former teachers… they need to we well-trained, professional and empathetic. There should be much more hands-on support for schools who are struggling.

And teachers too need to be accountable. ‘Only’ failing on safeguarding is not the right mindset… safeguarding is at the heart of life at school. If there’s no record of a check happening, or if it didn’t happen, that’s just not good enough. All teachers should be good teachers. Maybe they’ll have a fighting chance with some ambitious structural change.

The home-school contract needs attention too. We have facilities for great universal education in this country and that’s sometimes taken for granted by some families. However holistic support for struggling families is also critical.

All of this takes political will, beyond the life of any one government. Which politicians have the will to make this happen?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/03/2023 20:06

Interesting this has come via a journalist and not anyone official
I'd wait to hear from the head herself

Very wise, Postapocalypticcowgirl

According to the BBC the situation appears to be that the LEA have said the inspection will go ahead, but there's been no further comment from the HT to confirm this

Legally she has no choice, but you'd have thought she'd have borne that in mind before and whether she'll actually allow Ofsted in remains to be seen.
Either way, as I said on another thread I just hope the inspectors can hang onto their objectivity when they finally arrive, because they're going to have to assess the HT's overall approach and she's already shown herself capable of ignoring one legal obligation