To think the Tories are clever?

[ClassicLib]

They are introducing a massive pension tax cuts for their rich mates in the city, and selling it by claiming that it might also persuade a few rich NHS consultants to delay their retirement to their second homes in France for a couple of years.
And who is paying for this? Why you & me, of course, because our basic rate & higher rate tax allowances are being frozen until 2028. This is actually a massive income tax increase for ordinary working people, of course. And the media have fallen for their spin.
That’s smart politics…

Youre a tory voter anyway just from that response so a bit disingenuous to imply youd vote for a different party iF tHeY kNeW wHaT A wOmAn iS

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They’ve also said they’ll increase the amount UC pays towards childcare without saying when. With their so called increase in funded hours they won’t be forking out for the increased UC anyway.

If another party promised more things than benefitted me directly than the Tories I would consider voting them.

Isn't the big change though that childcare support via UC will now be paid upfront which will be a huge benefit to people? I have never claimed UC so don't fully understand, but I know from families I have worked with that this often caused huge issues. I did like that pre paid utility meters will be charged similarly to debit customers though, that's long overdue.

Still wouldn't ever vote Tory but doesn't mean they speak sense sometimes- a broken clock is right twice a day and all that.

So youre an 'im allright Jack' type of voter so are naturally a Tory voter, i personally dont care who you vote for but the disingenousness of a lot of GC mumsnetters astounds me, as PP said seems the long way round of just admitting youre a tory voter, im sure we'll now have the iM a cArD cArRyInG lAbOuR meMbEr... lot in next 🙄

Yes I've never voted any other party. If everyone voted in their own best interests then that's democracy working isn't it even if it's selfish?

Yes it's smart spin. The majority who will benefit are multimillionaires who are getting tax breaks but Hunt spins it as 'we care about the NHS' while nurses are offered a derisory pay offer and warned via the unions to accept it or be punished.

The things you listed don't affect me so I don't care as much about it as them knowing what a woman is

You didn't develop any kind of social responsibility or moral compass then? As long as you're alright? How very delightfully Tory.

Florissant · Yesterday 19:32
I have no idea whether or not they're clever but they know what a woman is, which is more than can be said for Labour, the Lib Dems or the Greens. And that's a pretty low bar.“

Yes, someone to use as a punchbag on your way to a knighthood. That’s about as low as it gets.

How gullible are you?!

Yeah but it's also rather rank and that kind of logic may eventually make people question the value of democracy and capitalism too - particularly when millions of people live in poverty and we have homeless dying on our streets.

It may seem the easier choice but opting for the most Darwinian option might ensure your survival but it is actually not the smartest choice for any society's eventual survival.

I personally don't see how anyone who actually gives a shit about this country or about humanity or humanity's evolution could bring themselves to vote Tory.

Maybe you don't, maybe you just care about yourself and your own survival, some people are that way I suppose. I find it interesting though, that many of the least socially concerned and least socially minded people are also some of the most well off - the current system seems to be rewarding this sort of mindset well, which raises certain questions about its validity I do think.

Glad you're okay tho...Jack😄

If the majority of society truly think that labour represent their interests best and everyone voted in their own best interest surely their votes would more than engulf the likes of mine.

If the majority of society truly think that labour represent their interests best and everyone voted in their own best interest surely their votes would more than engulf the likes of mine“

Oh, they will. You must follow the opinion polls.

And you won't need to worry about how I vote, things will still work for the majority of society as a whole. I think your beef is not with how I vote but the general intelligence of the average voter.

The Tories are sadly good at fooling people. After all, they convinced them to vote for a party led by Boris Johnson.

Because that's the main issue ..

Not not being able to feed your family , or education being utterly on its knees, or not. Ring able to heat your home.

Jesus. Some people. Yes it might be an issue for you but BIG picture is what matters

Why not just amend the rules of the NHS pension scheme?

Why not (make it allowable to) stop paying into your pension when you are likely to hit the cap and spend the money instead on restaurants and products (therefore increasing jobs)

Yes and I think that they have a high chance of winning the next general election but I also think it will be close and not the landslide you're expecting.

That would have been way too sensible. Their City maté’s wouldn’t have liked it though.

No idea where that rogue apostrophe came from 🙄

Emotionalstorm · Today 10:16
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:15
If the majority of society truly think that labour represent their interests best and everyone voted in their own best interest surely their votes would more than engulf the likes of mine“

Oh, they will. You must follow the opinion polls.

“Yes and I think that they have a high chance of winning the next general election but I also think it will be close and not the landslide you're expecting.”

Will be very interesting. I’ll probably stay up to watch for once.

Why do people spew this shit every bloody time?!

The media across the world is controlled by a small number of powerful families. Who do you think they vote for?

Several things wrong with what you've said.

1. People voting Labour or Tory wasn't my point - I wasn't actually questioning whether the system accurately represented people's views, I was questioning those views, the value system behind those views and the validity of the entire system.

2. As another poster mentioned, have you not seen the opinion polls lately?

3. Also not sure why you brought Labour into it, I used to be a Labour voter but wouldn't vote for them now. They are basically a bunch of neo-liberalist clowns these days.

So there's that, think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say, or perhaps that's on me as I didn't make it clear enough.

1. It doesn't, our voting system sucks. But labour and conservatives just need to wait their turn so there is no incentive to bring in proportional representation.

1. See my comment above

1. We have first past the post. There's no point in me voting if it's not for labour or conservative.

Are you sure those figures are correct? I think it is 40K going up to 100K