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To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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marmaladeo · 11/03/2023 16:55

This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

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MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:00

pointythings · 11/03/2023 21:20

Ah, the armed forces. That explains a lot.

Disdain for the armed forces that protect us. Utterly despicable. I guess you would like to defund the police too

BewareTheLibrarians · 12/03/2023 00:01

Well said @Lavender14 So much ignorance around trafficking and asylum in general, and a couple of people banking on no one knowing enough to contradict them.

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:03

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:00

Disdain for the armed forces that protect us. Utterly despicable. I guess you would like to defund the police too

You might want to rtft before picking arguments that were resolved several pages ago.

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:04

@Anklespraying you are making a lot of sense in all your posts

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:05

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:03

You might want to rtft before picking arguments that were resolved several pages ago.

Are you policing the speed at which I read and write? So much for compassion from the left mob

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:05

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:04

@Anklespraying you are making a lot of sense in all your posts

Yeah especially that last one 😂

MarshaBradyo · 12/03/2023 00:06

Lavender14 · 11/03/2023 23:56

I'm not saying that the system is flawless @Anklespraying but there are usually other signs than just the person saying they have experienced trafficking and ways to know someone has genuinely been a victim of trafficking. It's fully investigated over quite a lengthy period of time by a specialist team and if found to be untrue the person may be deported. They will only be offered leave to remain if their claim of trafficking is found to be valid in which case fair enough. I still don't think that the crying wolf occurs as regularly in comparison to the occurrence of genuine victims of modern slavery/trafficking as @Moonicorn would suggest and it certainly shouldn't be used as an excuse to be disbelieving and mistrustful of victims male or otherwise. I'm still waiting for those claims to be backed up. I work with many people who have been trafficked and its very common for them to get part way through their journey and then be held for random, the family asked for more money and if they can't afford it then those men women children are sold into forced labour/sexual slavery/ domestic slavery. Male victims at very regularly found working in construction and agriculture in my area so I've seen first hand what @Moonicorn would suggest isn't there.

This doesn’t sound good but also is a convincing argument to stop boats altogether rather than allow traffickers to grow a bigger market.

Also on racism and people repeating posts, it doesn’t seem that immigration is the issue, it’s the method of crossing that people react to when asked.

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:08

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:05

Are you policing the speed at which I read and write? So much for compassion from the left mob

Why is suggesting you rtft is not compassionate?

Also I’m one person, not a ‘mob’ (the language you choose is interesting - it’s a great example of othering to try and paint me as ‘different’ to you so you can dismiss me.

HannibalHeyes · 12/03/2023 00:11

Gordon Bennett, the shills and racists are still going for it!

I just popped back to post this thread from twitter, which explains a lot (caution, many posters won't like it, because it actually has some, you know, facts, in it), and is also quite amusingly written...

RotundBeagle · 12/03/2023 00:12

babybythesea · 11/03/2023 23:41

There’s a difference between wanting to come and having grounds to seek asylum. If we had in place channels that people could use in their own countries to apply quickly for asylum, then a large number of those crossing via the boats wild no longer need to do so. They’d have been processed by the time they arrived here, and wouldn’t need to go to hotels either. The number who had their application rejected may still try to come. I’m not saying they wouldn’t. But some might not bother - knowing you’ve been turned down might mean you decide not to make the effort. At the moment, not allowing anyone to apply until they arrive means
a) you need to come to figure out if you even have a chance
b) you have to go somewhere once you are here while your claim is processed.

Im thinking it would be much easier to identify those who needed to come vs those who wanted to come, if the majority who needed to come had claims examined and the paperwork in place before they arrived.

Agreed.

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:12

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:08

Why is suggesting you rtft is not compassionate?

Also I’m one person, not a ‘mob’ (the language you choose is interesting - it’s a great example of othering to try and paint me as ‘different’ to you so you can dismiss me.

Well, if you are beheving like a member of a mob and I'm not, then yes, I would be 'othering' you.

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:14

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:12

Well, if you are beheving like a member of a mob and I'm not, then yes, I would be 'othering' you.

What does that even mean? Giving you constructive advice is ‘behaving like a mob’

its doen’t even make sense

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:17

HannibalHeyes · 12/03/2023 00:11

Gordon Bennett, the shills and racists are still going for it!

I just popped back to post this thread from twitter, which explains a lot (caution, many posters won't like it, because it actually has some, you know, facts, in it), and is also quite amusingly written...

Interesting thread - thank you!

BewareTheLibrarians · 12/03/2023 00:17

@HannibalHeyes That’s a good thread! This bit is especially pertinent considering the new bill:

"Stricter laws will deter illegal immigration".

Since 2010 UK immigration law has been "tightened" 168 times (average 1 a month)
^assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1010857/user-guide-policy-changes-jun21.ods…^

43 laws on small boats alone
^theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/07/conservatives-channel-crossings-small-boats-tories-rwanda-deportation…^

If this stuff deterred, it would have deterred by now.

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:19

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Wokery trumps women's rights, health and wellbeing apparently

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 00:21

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:19

Wokery trumps women's rights, health and wellbeing apparently

Shame a lot of posters on here can’t apply the same critical thinking skills they do with transgender issues.

Soapnutty · 12/03/2023 00:22

Sorry not read through the thread. She uses gross exaggeration of scale of people coming over in small boats in the video - the U.K. takes relatively little asylum seekers eg U.K. had 75,000 asylum claims in 2022 against 180,000 in France, Germany 296,555 and of the 25m displaced people in the world who have left their country 0.032% have come to the U.K. This 75,000 figure does not include the 5000 coming under a resettlement scheme in 2022 or the Hong Kong and Ukraine schemes. She also uses incorrect language as majority of those coming across are asylum seekers who by international law are not illegals.

Due to bad head pain can only type a little at mo, so I will copy and paste text from an article about Lineker’s comment that mirror my thoughts further:

“Did Lineker call Suella Braverman a Nazi? No.

Did he call the Government Nazis? No.

Did he make a sober comparison between the language used by the Home Secretary and the language used in 1930s Germany to instil propagandist fear into a population to make them believe that their way of life was under threat by an ‘enemy’ group of people. Yes.

The language being used by Braverman for some time now, both specifically – like the time she called the small boats crisis an ‘invasion’ – and in general terms – such as her consistent demonization of refugees – IS reminiscent of 1930s Germany, something she has been challenged on publicly by a Holocaust survivor.

Asylum seekers will be arrested and detained in make-shift detention camps, without access to bail or judicial review, and kept there until they can be deported to either a third country like Rwanda or their own country.

If they are fleeing persecution, if they are victims of human trafficking – it won’t matter to the Home Office because they will be banned from ever entering the UK ever again.

No new safe routes were announced.”

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:24

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:19

Wokery trumps women's rights, health and wellbeing apparently

Do you have anything to add that is informed or evidence based or is it literally all name calling and derogatory labels?

FurAndFeathers · 12/03/2023 00:25

Moonicorn · 12/03/2023 00:21

Shame a lot of posters on here can’t apply the same critical thinking skills they do with transgender issues.

The irony is strong 😂

LexMitior · 12/03/2023 00:26

I think we can all predict that Gary Lineker, who has apparently being given a hero's welcome in Leicester today, will have a very good job at the end of all of this mess.

Also, this bill will not be law before 2024. Expect your local Conservatives to campaign on this, perhaps if they are crazy.

AnElegantChaos · 12/03/2023 00:27

This is an interesting article re Linekar, and also Suella's attacks on civil servants

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/suella-braverman-wants-to-cleanse-the-civil-service-guess-who-tried-that-in-the-1930s/

"What Suella Braverman now proposes is the biggest and most racialised infraction of human rights in Britain since the 1930s"

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:28

AnElegantChaos · 12/03/2023 00:27

This is an interesting article re Linekar, and also Suella's attacks on civil servants

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/suella-braverman-wants-to-cleanse-the-civil-service-guess-who-tried-that-in-the-1930s/

"What Suella Braverman now proposes is the biggest and most racialised infraction of human rights in Britain since the 1930s"

We need to think about the human rights of our own people first. Sorry

LexMitior · 12/03/2023 00:30

@AnElegantChaos - it's all to do with being in opposition. When this doesn't work, Suella Braverman will be campaigning on the ECHR.

It's one note piano she has.

AnElegantChaos · 12/03/2023 00:31

@MrsandProud I'm an internationalist. Sorry.

MrsandProud · 12/03/2023 00:32

AnElegantChaos · 12/03/2023 00:31

@MrsandProud I'm an internationalist. Sorry.

This means nothing to UK law or UK people

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