Page 2 | Reincarnation and multiple lives - if you believe this what does it mean

Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 2023-03-10T20:40:47+00:00

Just for fun really, as I don't believe in reincarnation. The idea of it is so fucking tiring! When I'm dead I want peace and quiet and a rest [grin] the thoughts of starting the whole thing again is quite draining... But, if you have an interest in this stuff, what do our hardships mean in the present life? Is it all something to do with karma and about lessons we need to learn this time round? Is it like - we start off with 'easy' lives to begin with, and build our experience, and our lives get progressively harder until we reach enlightenment? Or the opposite! Do we start off with 'harder' lives - and then they get easier the more we work our way through multiple lives? Kind of like a career pathway where you get really experienced and do more challenging things later on lol. And get to enlightenment that way? And then is there something about karma biting us on the ass/ bad stuff happening as punishment in this life for stuff we fucked up last time round? Hmmm, that seems a bit victim-blamey. What way does it work? Who has read about this or has any thoughts?

CaroleSinger · 10/03/2023 21:49

How many times would you want to live the same monotonous old shyte again and again though? You'd get sick of coming back eventually.

Manybeards · 10/03/2023 21:50

Carl Edon’s story is interesting

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 10/03/2023 21:56

I remember learning about it in RE at school, I'm not sure which particular religion and version of reincarnation it was (it was a long time ago!) but the belief was you started sort of in the middle, as an ordinary person. Then if you were good you moved up a level and got a better life next time. If you were bad you moved down, had a crappy life, or came back as an animal of various sorts.

The bit that sticks in my head is that if you were really really bad, the worst thing you could come back as was a rock. I remember asking how a rock could be good or bad, or in fact die, to get out of rockness. I was told to be quiet and not ask silly questions. Now I wonder if that was the point. A rock for ever, no redemption. Does sound quite peaceful though, just being a rock.

Ilovemycatalot · 10/03/2023 21:58

Can totally relate to @XenoBitch I can only hope that if I did have the chance of another life it would be different to my present one .

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 21:58

As PP said, it's all about learning and growing through being reborn. The end goal is to get out of it though by reaching a very pure soul state. That's me trying to put it in a non-religion specific way.

But do you go up through the levels like a video game? Does it keep getting more and more difficult?

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GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 10/03/2023 21:59

CaroleSinger · 10/03/2023 21:49

How many times would you want to live the same monotonous old shyte again and again though? You'd get sick of coming back eventually.

If you could choose it might be quite good. You could come back as a deep sea welder, or an astronaut or something else interesting. Or really really rich, just to see what that's like. Maybe an elephant. Or an Eagle. I'd quite like to be able to fly.

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:06

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 10/03/2023 21:56

I remember learning about it in RE at school, I'm not sure which particular religion and version of reincarnation it was (it was a long time ago!) but the belief was you started sort of in the middle, as an ordinary person. Then if you were good you moved up a level and got a better life next time. If you were bad you moved down, had a crappy life, or came back as an animal of various sorts.

The bit that sticks in my head is that if you were really really bad, the worst thing you could come back as was a rock. I remember asking how a rock could be good or bad, or in fact die, to get out of rockness. I was told to be quiet and not ask silly questions. Now I wonder if that was the point. A rock for ever, no redemption. Does sound quite peaceful though, just being a rock.

Interesting. So that's how a version of it is explained.

Does seem to blame people who get dealt a very bad hand in life though, which makes me dismissive.

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Ilovemycatalot · 10/03/2023 22:07

I personally think when you’re dead it’s just like before you were born you don’t remember anything. Maybe your soul goes to a better place? Hopefully you find peace that’s what I’d like to believe.

crochetcrazy1978 · 10/03/2023 22:12

I believe in reincarnation. I feel that we choose the life we come into to learn certain lessons. We choose what those lessons are before we come. So no lives don't automatically get harder as we go on. Some people would choose difficult lives to progress their soul development more quickly. Bit like taking an intensive driving course to learn more quickly rather than 1 lesson per week. Once you have completed all your lessons you would become an enlightened being and move to a higher plane so would effectively graduate and no longer have lives on earth. New souls are created all the time.

I feel you are often drawn to lives with souls you have been close to in other lives. When you meet them in this lifetime you instantly connect and feel you have known them all your lives.

I have had past life regression and my last life was as a science teacher in Essex in the 1930's, so not the classic cleopatra / Henry viii I also strongly feel I have known my husband before

Tockomtele · 10/03/2023 22:15

Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 21:58

As PP said, it's all about learning and growing through being reborn. The end goal is to get out of it though by reaching a very pure soul state. That's me trying to put it in a non-religion specific way.

But do you go up through the levels like a video game? Does it keep getting more and more difficult?

Not quite, you can go down, too. Not remembering your previous lives defeats the purpose to me though.

OiFatArse · 10/03/2023 22:18

No idea what I believe but it is an interesting thread. I want to believe since losing my Mum , but at the same time I don't want to come back to this shit life living the same awful day over and over as I am now.
Maybe if we could choose our next life it would make things simpler 🤔

KarmaStar · 10/03/2023 22:20

You don't have to come back.
You work with your guides to find the right time to return to the earth plane because there are things you want to experience and learn from.
There is nothing to fear,when we come here,we leave loved ones in spirit who grieve at our leaving as we do when loved one pass over,but in spirit,they are celebrating their return.
Yes we do look back on our lives and feel what we have done to others,good and bad,from their point of view,so we learn.
you can stay there and enjoy life ,or work or whatever you want to do.we are just energy.It's not about religion.
there is so much more to it than this tiny bit.
Don't be afraid,nobody is ever alone.🌈🌻

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:21

I feel that we choose the life we come into to learn certain lessons. We choose what those lessons are before we come.

What lessons does a baby or little child learn from a short, brutal life where they die very young from a hideous disease or starvation or something horrible?

I'm having a mental block on that, in particular.

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 10/03/2023 22:23

I’ve named changed for this because it doesn’t sound very believable, but…

I had a past life regression session done years ago and it was recorded and given to me on disc.

It was incredibly vivid and I gave many details during the session - my name, where I lived, when I was born, my spouse’s name, what lessons I had learned during this lifetime etc. I gave descriptions of my home and what clothing I was wearing. I was no one of importance.

I listened back to the recording and done some research. There was a person by the name I had given, who was born on the date I gave, in the place I was living. The clothing and house I described were typical of those from that period in time. My spouse’s name was the same.

I’ve never really thought about it again until now. I don’t really know what to make of it.

MrsWojadobakowsky · 10/03/2023 22:23

Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 20:52

I love sleeping. Death and nothingness seem quiet and peaceful to me!

I'd find it quite stressful to think it's a never ending conveyer belt of lives, never knowing what bullshit you have to deal with.

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As I understand it, reincarnation happens after a number of years, sometimes a very long time.

It also takes a while for the soul to leave the body, depending on the religion.

If my soul is reincarnated I hope I have better life next time round, this one has certainly been a testing one. A repeat of it and knowing that I can't escape doesn't bear thinking about.

On the other hand, if we develop purity with each rebirth it won't be so bad.

crochetcrazy1978 · 10/03/2023 22:25

@Pleasekeepmycoffeehot in very challenging lives there may be lessons in resilience or humility that may be important for soul development. Some people also say short lives are due to being very enlightened souls that do not need long to learn any remaining lessons.

XenoBitch · 10/03/2023 22:25

I find it hard to believe based on the fact that the human population just gets bigger and bigger by the minute. Where are all these "new" souls coming from? Rocks?

BakeOffRewatch · 10/03/2023 22:26

You might like this short story OP @Pleasekeepmycoffeehot www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:27

NotSoBigCrocodile · 10/03/2023 22:23

I’ve named changed for this because it doesn’t sound very believable, but…

I had a past life regression session done years ago and it was recorded and given to me on disc.

It was incredibly vivid and I gave many details during the session - my name, where I lived, when I was born, my spouse’s name, what lessons I had learned during this lifetime etc. I gave descriptions of my home and what clothing I was wearing. I was no one of importance.

I listened back to the recording and done some research. There was a person by the name I had given, who was born on the date I gave, in the place I was living. The clothing and house I described were typical of those from that period in time. My spouse’s name was the same.

I’ve never really thought about it again until now. I don’t really know what to make of it.

That's mad and fascinating.

What period did past you live in, what were your clothes like? Did you remember anything about the relationship with your spouse, like if you loved them?

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2022again · 10/03/2023 22:28

Wooooooo · 10/03/2023 21:40

Name changed for this as I know how…strident…MNers can be about woo stuff.

I fully believe. My now adult sons had a joint weirdy thing going on.
When ds1 was 3 he started pointing up a hill near where we live, and talking about there being a house up here, and talked about the animals he had, and that another man used to come and help him, and that they were good friends. He named names. This went on for a couple of years. We put it down to his imagination and forgot all about it.

Then ds2 came along, and when he was around 3 (ds1 was 9 and had no memory of it) he started pointing up the same hill, saying that he used to help there, with his friend X. Same details, same names. It was quite freaky. Again, went on for a couple of years then stopped.

In the last few years a FB history group started about the local area. Someone posted about a house that had once stood up the hill, had burnt down and the ruins grown over about 50+ years ago. They named the names my sons had named - the owner and his friend.
I showed ds1+2, the oldest could remember the younger saying these things but had no memory of saying anything himself. As adults they are very close.

So yes I believe. I don’t know how it works, but I find it quite comforting.

Gosh that’s so detailed,really interesting. My daughter at around 3 used to talk about being in a house, there was a big fire, and that she got really hot and then went to sleep. She was always quite matter of fact, which seemed more convincing, so not like a child describing a nightmare which made them really scared.

MrsWojadobakowsky · 10/03/2023 22:28

Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:21

I feel that we choose the life we come into to learn certain lessons. We choose what those lessons are before we come.

What lessons does a baby or little child learn from a short, brutal life where they die very young from a hideous disease or starvation or something horrible?

I'm having a mental block on that, in particular.

It is not the baby that learns, it is the soul that inhabits the baby, the soul is what is reincarnated, not the actual shell of the person.

Reincarnation is spiritual, not matter of fact.

CrapSocialCare · 10/03/2023 22:29

Peonies84 · 10/03/2023 20:52

I don't believe in it. When younger I had a reading from a past life regressionist who told me my current husband was my dad in my past life. That my surname was Brady and I set up an orphanage in Ireland to home children and I still carry the hurt of not being able to save every single child left on my doorstep in the past life. In the life before that I was a North American Indian and my mum was my sister. We were killed in a massacre.
There you go, make of it what you will.

Did you research the orphanage bit?

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:30

It is not the baby that learns, it is the soul that inhabits the baby, the soul is what is reincarnated, not the actual shell of the person.

But what lesson would that be?

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Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:33

Gosh that’s so detailed,really interesting. My daughter at around 3 used to talk about being in a house, there was a big fire, and that she got really hot and then went to sleep. She was always quite matter of fact, which seemed more convincing, so not like a child describing a nightmare which made them really scared.

Sometimes I wonder if stuff like this is to do with genetic memory, and some other phenomena could be to do with epigenetics.

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2022again · 10/03/2023 22:40

Pleasekeepmycoffeehot · 10/03/2023 22:33

Gosh that’s so detailed,really interesting. My daughter at around 3 used to talk about being in a house, there was a big fire, and that she got really hot and then went to sleep. She was always quite matter of fact, which seemed more convincing, so not like a child describing a nightmare which made them really scared.

Sometimes I wonder if stuff like this is to do with genetic memory, and some other phenomena could be to do with epigenetics.

I’m quite happy to believe in reincarnation, it fits in with my belief system….after all if you are the sort of person who believes that people have a soul or in any sort of religion/afterlife then reincarnation isn’t much of a stretch!!! If it is possible then likewise I think it must be a form of spiritual growth…I would hope that I learn things and become a better person by the end of this life but it’s a lot to ask in one lifetime perhaps!