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School celebrated a Muslim LGBT activist on International Women’s day!

423 replies

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 00:06

AIBU to be annoyed at the school? I’m baffled as why have the school missed an opportunity here. They already celebrate lgbt history month and then pride in June at school.

Why is this issue that affects a very tiny minority is so heavily influenced in children’s curriculum?

OP posts:
WindowGazers · 09/03/2023 09:18

Who is the woman they celebrated, out of curiosity?

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:19

I'm quite intrigued now. Who would be the Correct Woman to focus on for IWD? Who's the one female who is doing womanning so right on behalf of every single one of us that she's the universal choice?

Bunnyfuller · 09/03/2023 09:21

Are you Muslim, OP? and hold views against LGB as some Muslims do? I don’t think the Muslim was the problem, I think it was the gay that she is against.

AlisonDonut · 09/03/2023 09:22

I'd view this as the school being savvy enough to highlight a woman, but also savvy enough to be ticking all boxes in terms of 'intersectionality' and not wanting to be 'cancelled' for highlighting an actual female.

It's a slippery slope these days. Well done that head teacher.

I'd be cock a hoop that an actual woman was being celebrated. Makes a change from all the men yesterday.

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 09:26

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:19

I'm quite intrigued now. Who would be the Correct Woman to focus on for IWD? Who's the one female who is doing womanning so right on behalf of every single one of us that she's the universal choice?

I asked upthread as I was genuinely curious as to who "should" be celebrated, but there's still been no answer from OP as far as I can see

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:26

@WindowGazers apparently you're only allowed out of your box during Black History and Pride months, but only if you agree to not mention sexuality in October and keep quiet about race in June Wink

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:30

@CremeEggQueen almost as if it's not about women, but just another opportunity to rail against the amorphous but apparently omnipotent 'loony leftie woke brigade PC gone mad cancel culture'. I wish I had membership of this brigade. I bet the uniform is smashing.

ChickenDhansak82 · 09/03/2023 09:33

When people are persecuted for something they don't choose in life (e.g. sexuality) then we should praise anyone who stands up for this.

This woman is risking her life by standing up for LGBT.

A knew a gay male Muslim and he was made to marry a female distant cousin from Pakistan because if he'd let his family know he was gay then at best he would have been shunned and he didn't want to bring shame on his family.

WindowGazers · 09/03/2023 09:35

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:26

@WindowGazers apparently you're only allowed out of your box during Black History and Pride months, but only if you agree to not mention sexuality in October and keep quiet about race in June Wink

Thing is, most LGB people don't even mention their sexuality. Very few of my friends know I'm bisexual, and none of my colleagues. My race is obvious and nobody I work with know I'm an atheist. Most of my friends probably don't either. So would I now be eligible, because I'm not open about these things? Or is it just people who are vocal about it that should be excluded? What if I was a vocal lesbian who stood up for all women, or was fighting the patriarchy. Would I then be eligible? Or maybe, just maybe we should include all biological women, because we are all capable of 'smashing the patriarchy' and doing amazing things for women's rights, science, the arts (etc etc) regardless of our sexuality or religion.

Elsiebear90 · 09/03/2023 09:37

I didn’t realise us lesbians aren’t actually women, or that we are only permitted to speak during certain months 🙄

Foreversearch · 09/03/2023 09:39

@MeganTheeScallion @CremeEggQueen do you realise you just made the OPs point. The OPs post was about why couldn’t the focus have been on Muslim Women and the barriers they face and overcome on IWD. The fact the person chosen was LGBT+ was not a problem, it was the fact they only focused on them being LGBT+ rather than being a woman the op had an issue with.

Barbecuebeans · 09/03/2023 09:39

DarkHorizon · 09/03/2023 01:46

I see your point. Your issue isnt that she's gay. It's that I she's an advocate of the lgbt+ when it seems like there are plenty of those and there are lots of very dire issues to advocate for that are going largely ignored.

I get this too. It's not that there aren't many white, heterosexual women with privilege. Or that there aren't many gay women who do magnificent work changing lives. But there are also many heterosexual women who fight for rights against terrible discrimination. If we're also advocating for those people who fight for gay rights in the LGBT and pride months, when are we advocating for women who fight for other rights for women? Like clean water, period poverty, the right to go out of their home without a male relative etc. None of those things are about their sexuality but their sex. It is one day just to consider those issues too.

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:47

@Foreversearch I disagree that I've made anyone's point but my own. LGB[TQ+] women exist and their womanhood is often inextricably linked to that. Without knowing who the person is or the content of the school's material, it's just another opportunity to rail against this group of people.

Choconut · 09/03/2023 09:50

OP it sounds like you might be Muslim and homophobic.

Personally if they were going to pick one person to concentrate on I'd rather it was someone who had done something more unique than 'be an activist' - so I do agree that I'd rather their sexuality and religion was secondary to their achievement.

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 09:51

Barbecuebeans · 09/03/2023 09:39

I get this too. It's not that there aren't many white, heterosexual women with privilege. Or that there aren't many gay women who do magnificent work changing lives. But there are also many heterosexual women who fight for rights against terrible discrimination. If we're also advocating for those people who fight for gay rights in the LGBT and pride months, when are we advocating for women who fight for other rights for women? Like clean water, period poverty, the right to go out of their home without a male relative etc. None of those things are about their sexuality but their sex. It is one day just to consider those issues too.

You're right in that it's just one day.
The school can only cover so much, have room maybe to just highlight one woman's achievements.
So why not next year OP suggest someone to the school who they think is a great role model/ someone to learn about?
As that's perfectly reasonable.
Maybe leaving out the "LGBT is spoken about enough already " angle as that's where it starts to verge into bigotry and loses any point they may have had.

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:54

@WindowGazers sorry I've read this loads of times and I don't know if or what I'm being invited to respond to because I am very tired and probably a bit thick. I don't mean this in a snarky way at all, I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring your reply. I'm just not smart enough for it 😆

Hadjab · 09/03/2023 09:56

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 01:06

Do you know the amount of problems majority of Muslim women face every single day in UK and world wide???
I have unfortunately seen it first hand in a third world country and more so in Britain.
But no, let's celebrate Muslim gay women who make up less than 1% of women(approx correct me if I'm wrong).

YABU for using the phrase "Third World country"

Foreversearch · 09/03/2023 10:07

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 09:47

@Foreversearch I disagree that I've made anyone's point but my own. LGB[TQ+] women exist and their womanhood is often inextricably linked to that. Without knowing who the person is or the content of the school's material, it's just another opportunity to rail against this group of people.

I certainly agree it is intrinsically linked and there are appropriate times to centre LGBT+, in the same way we should centre race, disability etc. However, on IWD, women should have been centred and that was the OPs point.

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 10:08

Foreversearch · 09/03/2023 09:39

@MeganTheeScallion @CremeEggQueen do you realise you just made the OPs point. The OPs post was about why couldn’t the focus have been on Muslim Women and the barriers they face and overcome on IWD. The fact the person chosen was LGBT+ was not a problem, it was the fact they only focused on them being LGBT+ rather than being a woman the op had an issue with.

Thanks, people are choosing to read my post through a lens that suits their views so they can instantly feel better about themselves by labelling me as a homophobe and racist.

They focused on her activism for lesbian sexuality and religion. When they have just celebrated a whole month on lgbt history.

It's a primary school. Our children deserve to know other real issues that women face as well.

OP posts:
SarahAndQuack · 09/03/2023 10:10

I'll just pop in and sit on the non-women bench with the other lesbians, eh? So nice to know homophobia's alive and well.

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 10:10

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 09:51

You're right in that it's just one day.
The school can only cover so much, have room maybe to just highlight one woman's achievements.
So why not next year OP suggest someone to the school who they think is a great role model/ someone to learn about?
As that's perfectly reasonable.
Maybe leaving out the "LGBT is spoken about enough already " angle as that's where it starts to verge into bigotry and loses any point they may have had.

Thank you. Point noted.

OP posts:
twelly · 09/03/2023 10:12

Its not case of excluding a LBGT woman its a case of recognising women as its international women's day. If we are to have a day celebrating women and the achievements, rights etc then it should focus on that not one LBGT which is what this particular event seemed to do. There seems to be a tendency to shoehorn LBGT into everything and I do not think that should be the case.

MeganTheeScallion · 09/03/2023 10:12

@Foreversearch But...OP has confirmed that the person was a woman? OP has contextualised her complaint with an anti-LGBTQ+ tone, which plays well on MN, regardless of the "natal sex" of the people under discussion.

Again, without more factual information from OP (which doesn't seem forthcoming at the time of writing), it's not really possible to judge the event as described, but we can question the motivation & mindset behind posting about it.

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 10:12

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 10:08

Thanks, people are choosing to read my post through a lens that suits their views so they can instantly feel better about themselves by labelling me as a homophobe and racist.

They focused on her activism for lesbian sexuality and religion. When they have just celebrated a whole month on lgbt history.

It's a primary school. Our children deserve to know other real issues that women face as well.

I haven't called you those names at all.
You seem to be ignoring what people have said - who would you rather they celebrated instead then?
And why not suggest someone for next year?

RichardBarrister · 09/03/2023 10:15

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 10:08

Thanks, people are choosing to read my post through a lens that suits their views so they can instantly feel better about themselves by labelling me as a homophobe and racist.

They focused on her activism for lesbian sexuality and religion. When they have just celebrated a whole month on lgbt history.

It's a primary school. Our children deserve to know other real issues that women face as well.

It sounds like it was the topic rather than the individual you were irked by op and I understand. There are so many inspiring women they could have celebrated that have achieved things that have changed our world for the better. It seems that they chose to further their limited agenda on LGBT aka gender ideology at the cost of all else. I would be disappointed too.

Primary school children should not be constantly bombarded with stuff about sexuality (they are not ready) and identity (unscientific ideology).