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Children in Isle of man told there are 73 different genders. Wtf?

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Leopardprintonsie · 07/03/2023 22:56

dailysceptic.org/2023/02/27/isle-of-man-suspends-sex-education-classes-after-drag-queen-tells-11-year-olds-there-are-73-genders/

And a child who questioned it was asked to leave the classroom.
Aibu to want children to be left alone to enjoy their childhood?
As an adult I can't get my head around 73 genders.. How can a child process that? Year 7s, 11 years old.

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JunkinDonuts · 08/03/2023 06:32

@Headheat I know we don't, you as a woman knows we don't.
That disgusting piece of shit however........

JunkinDonuts · 08/03/2023 06:33

He spouts the same dangerous shit on YouTube too.

Tiny2018 · 08/03/2023 06:42

Oh fgs, why can't people just 'be' without making a bloody song and dance about it.

Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 06:50

evoke.ie/2022/09/09/news/sport/giulia-valentino

Have a look at this. This man who has made no attempt to look like a woman & has not gone under any transitioning is allowed legally to play women's football in Ireland. So disappointed in the GAA

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GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 08/03/2023 06:52

Headheat · 07/03/2023 23:00

There’s well over 100 genders, I can’t believe they would deprive children of 30+ ways to identify.

There are naturally, that is as nature intended, 2 genders. Male and Female

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 08/03/2023 06:55

Blame social media. Everyone was fine with two genders/sex's and trans people till social media came along and ruined it.
There are some real dangerous people on the internet that spread this crap.

Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 06:55

ClareBlue · 08/03/2023 06:06

The citizen assembly recommended changes to the Constitution to bring in what they term 'gender equality', which is being put to a referendum in November. This will be enshrined in the education system. But the slight problem is that article 40 to 44 of the Constitution are sexed based not gender based or just 'person' based with no reference to gender required. The wording of any amendment is going to be interesting. Gender has no definition in the Irish Constitution but are we saying there are going to be 100s of genders recognised. And whatever you think of him, Enoch Burke has brought this to the forefront of people's minds for the first time in Ireland.

@ClareBlue Enoch Burke is definitely highlighting what is going on in schools. He is keeping it to the forefront & seems to be gaining supporters.
It must be very difficult for teachers & I feel he was bloody right not to pander to that child. After all these were against Enoch's religious beliefs which must also count.

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Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 06:58

@MeMyCatsAndMyBooks that's why I don't leave my kids on roblox, tiktok or Minecraft.. In fact they get hardly any screen time. I used feel mean as their friends get lots but now I'm glad. God knows what they could unknowingly stumble upon

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icanneverthinkofnc · 08/03/2023 07:12

It's grooming in plain sight. Why on earth there isn't utter uproar I don't know. If my DC were small now, I'd be kicking merry hell. This is perverts grooming children with collaboration from education authorities. Why are teachers not kicking off? I'm pretty sure most teachers who are parents don't want their children being taught this rubbish, so why are heads allowing this? This is a hill I would die on in their position.

thegreylady · 08/03/2023 07:16

I will be 79 next month and struggle to cope with anything beyond LGBT yes I know I missed the Q which is the same as the G to me and the + which is presumably anything else. I can’t believe people are making up daft names for non existent things when life is out there filled with things that really matter like poverty, war, disability etc not to mention the positive values of love, kindness, generosity etc.

gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:25

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1633125951058878466?s=46&t=R3t5wpkQ1-9LBvqQSmKWFA

Just come across this. Xe/xem pronouns for when you're not entirely human 😫

Ndd135632 · 08/03/2023 07:25

I don’t get it either. It’s like people who I would have considered rational and intelligent have most their thought processes. It’s like they are indoctrinated. One of my friends posted something from Melissa McCarthy on her Instagram story about how we have always been fine with characters such as Mrs doubtfire so why do we now have a problem with drag in schools etc. But then I am not sure they are aware of the likes of Jeremy Marsh on TikTok. That is very much not Mrs Doubtfire. Even then times move on and whereas black face is now highly unacceptable I am sure we will move to a time where cultural appropriation of women and woman face will also become unacceptable. Then when someone else was told about the likes of Stonewall removing the word ‘mother’ from health documents in Scotland, they just said - ah that’s the media saying that. No it’s not!!! The documents are there in black and white and stonewall have now even backtracked on this so even they admit they did it. But oh no. She was convinced that it was all made up by the media. What is wrong with people. They have lost their collective minds. My DH sees it now and thinks it’s insane.

Headheat · 08/03/2023 07:26

gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:25

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1633125951058878466?s=46&t=R3t5wpkQ1-9LBvqQSmKWFA

Just come across this. Xe/xem pronouns for when you're not entirely human 😫

Can your gender change throughout the day? Because I am xe/xem before I’ve had coffee, but after coffee I’m almost entirely human again.

gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:29

@Headheat I think this makes you something like horogender?😂 the mind boggles.

PearlClutzsche · 08/03/2023 07:30

gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:25

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1633125951058878466?s=46&t=R3t5wpkQ1-9LBvqQSmKWFA

Just come across this. Xe/xem pronouns for when you're not entirely human 😫

I doubt few, if any of xis or xer friends, family or colleagues refer to xem as xe or xem when xey're not there.

gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:31

The person in the video thinks they are a bird so would usually be sectioned. Wonder why they're not receiving any mental health help- or maybe they are?

DutchCowgirl · 08/03/2023 07:32

Maybe if the children are taught there are so many genders and you can be who you want to be, even if you don’t fit in the woman-man stereotypes… they won’t need to have an operation to have the feeling to fit in.

I they’ll also need to learn that the “biological” man-woman division isn’t watertight. Up to 2% of the people are born with sextraits of boths sexes. There is a big taboo still around it. And i think it is an interesting perspective in the whole gender-discussion that even nature sometimes gives us “non-binaries” to deal with.

maddy68 · 08/03/2023 07:32

Of course that's being talked about in school. This isn't the handmaid's tale. They learn about differences in genders , sexuality , different family structures, different religions. Why would you want to restrict your own child's understanding of the world

Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 07:33

icanneverthinkofnc · 08/03/2023 07:12

It's grooming in plain sight. Why on earth there isn't utter uproar I don't know. If my DC were small now, I'd be kicking merry hell. This is perverts grooming children with collaboration from education authorities. Why are teachers not kicking off? I'm pretty sure most teachers who are parents don't want their children being taught this rubbish, so why are heads allowing this? This is a hill I would die on in their position.

There's a hidden agenda somewhere. In Ireland our prime minister & the minister for childen are both gay. They are really lobbying for all children to recieve trans education in primary school. Ireland has gone completely overboard with the lgbtq messaging, all secondary schools are filled with rainbow art, rainbow flags & lgbtq information. In primary schools like the Educate Together schools it's the same.
The Catholic schools are starting the push back. I don't want my children indoctrinated on issues they're too young to even begin comprehending.

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gkhg · 08/03/2023 07:36

maddy68 · 08/03/2023 07:32

Of course that's being talked about in school. This isn't the handmaid's tale. They learn about differences in genders , sexuality , different family structures, different religions. Why would you want to restrict your own child's understanding of the world

Well, you would only want to restrict it to reality. Religion for example is taught as 'some people believe this'. This is taught as fact and you are punished for questioning humans can be a gender 'that has properties of water' among other ridiculous and wild ones.

maddy68 · 08/03/2023 07:37

DutchCowgirl · 08/03/2023 07:32

Maybe if the children are taught there are so many genders and you can be who you want to be, even if you don’t fit in the woman-man stereotypes… they won’t need to have an operation to have the feeling to fit in.

I they’ll also need to learn that the “biological” man-woman division isn’t watertight. Up to 2% of the people are born with sextraits of boths sexes. There is a big taboo still around it. And i think it is an interesting perspective in the whole gender-discussion that even nature sometimes gives us “non-binaries” to deal with.

This.

My nephew was born this way they had ti make a decision which was the most feasible and easiest to adapt to he's had several operations bless him already. He's only little. I am unsure of all the details as it's definitely not talked about as the parents don't want anyone to know in case he suffers more physiological as he gets older with people talking about it.

Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 07:37

icanneverthinkofnc · 08/03/2023 07:12

It's grooming in plain sight. Why on earth there isn't utter uproar I don't know. If my DC were small now, I'd be kicking merry hell. This is perverts grooming children with collaboration from education authorities. Why are teachers not kicking off? I'm pretty sure most teachers who are parents don't want their children being taught this rubbish, so why are heads allowing this? This is a hill I would die on in their position.

The media are very silent. In Ireland whatever is being reported is very one sided & very much in favour of the brainwashing trans groups.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2023 07:39

I they’ll also need to learn that the “biological” man-woman division isn’t watertight. Up to 2% of the people are born with sextraits of boths sexes.

What they need to learn about these people is that they have congenital disorders of sex development. There are only two sexes and both are needed for reproduction.

Ndd135632 · 08/03/2023 07:44

Leopardprintonsie · 08/03/2023 07:37

The media are very silent. In Ireland whatever is being reported is very one sided & very much in favour of the brainwashing trans groups.

Have you seen the backlash the journalists at the New York Times are getting - in most part by fellow colleagues - for finally starting to call all this out. They did a piece on JK Rowling actually writing what she actually said which of course is most reasonable. Massive backlash. Journalists are being silenced. The Guardian is utterly lost. The Times, Daily Mail and Telegraph are all over it. But we need the more left wing publications to do their job and step up and report what is happening.

Paslaptis · 08/03/2023 07:46

In many romance languages, where there was never a separate word for "gender" meaning the stereotypes and baggage around sex difference, the word now used for "gender" (as distinct from sex - the classification system, not the carnal act) is often literally the word for "type" or "kind" or "category". For example, genre in French, género in Spanish, genere in Italian, gènere in Catalan, etc.

A lot of the types of "gender" on these published lists make much more sense in that context - they're not related to sex at all and should not be treated as if they are. This also leaves room for "genders" like catgender that necessarily exist side by side with sex differences.

If "gender" needs to be recognised in law, that would seem to be the way to go - make it either a completely separate category or perhaps a sub-category of "religion or belief", clearly distinct from sex and also NOT lumped in with the earlier protections for so-called transexual people and characteristics.