To think our govt is capable of rigging an election

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With everything in the news about what they pulled with and during covid, them acting as a bunch of Eton bully boys above the rules (let's face it they probably got up to all sorts at Eton to)...we litterally can't trust them any more surely ... surely they're capable of anything deceitful now...

What really scares me us that if there was a genuine pandemic like Ebola or anything deadly the public would be like yeah right, F Off, see you down the pub in half an hour!

The public got what they voted for by all accounts. This shit show didn't just fall from the sky.

This rather sounds like you suspect Tories may win the next GE?

Why don't you volunteer to be a counter so you can satisfy yourself? Or do you just want to sow seeds of doubt before an election even takes place? # fascist

They are monitored very closely and cross referenced several times. They are witnessed by observers and the political candidates. It’s all very transparent. Couldn’t you have googled this before making sweeping alarmist statements like that?

I agree with you. The lies and corruption are scary.

However, COVID-19 was a real
Pandemic. Don't underestimate that.

This

Students have to provide ID when they enrol at uni & when they rent accommodation & to open a bank account! If they work while at uni they have to provide ID to be employed.

Yes exactly this - they've already done what they can within the bounds of the law (including the new ones they've been able to invent with their massive majority) to rig the system in their favour.

The less well off can apply for a FREE Voter Authority Certificate! 🤦‍♂️

A member here did just that which took two weeks to arrive.

www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

And it is the Boundary Commission who decide on changes to constituencies. They're independent of government.

They are trying to rig elections - have a look at what’s happening re: voter ID and who it will disenfranchise. Spoiler alert, it’s not traditional Tory voters who will be most effected.

The point is it is another barrier in the way of people voting and was put in place by the Tories when there is no proven need for it. There is almost no evidence of election fraud by voters- it is almost entirely by candidates. It will mainly affect those in less-well off areas and young people- all more likely to vote Labour than Tory.

The Boundary Commission is made up of about 18 commissioners, many of whom are multi-millionaires, from a background of high-earning professions and high quality universities- mainly lawyers, a number titled and most of whom own several houses - some 4, mainly in London. Don't tell me they are impartial.

Nothing but unsubstantiated rhetoric in the face of facts.

Isn't it funny how the Electoral Commission is in favour of voter ID which certainly doesn't disadvantage anyone in Northern Ireland?

The same Electoral Commission that holds up Northern Ireland as a voter ID success case. GB is being brought into line with Northern Ireland which includes providing free voter ID to those who cannot afford other forms of ID.

The main benefit from voter ID is to increase confidence in the voting system and reduce allegations of fraud substantially. Not to reduce voter fraud per se. All acknowledged by the Electoral Commission who recommended such.

And that's without mentioning the Republic of Ireland as well as other European states which require voter ID. Its only GB lefties who irrationally believe people will be disadvantaged by it. Suggest you look at all the evidence already provided in other threads on this topic too.

At the same time, people are democratically free to not apply for their free voter ID if they wish. Just like they're free to not vote if they don't want to. Democracy does allow for voluntary disenfranchisement, you know.

Oh, and the Boundary Commission is independent. You've certainly not demonstrated otherwise which is your own claim to defend....

Of course. I think they get away with a lot because people can't fathom just how capable the political inner caucus is. It's a case of 'the more you look, the less you see.' We, the public, really are being taken for fools.

Of course government are capable of rigging an election.
Let's face it, if elections ever achieved anything they'd make them illegal.

The vote itself is secure, I have no concerns about that.

Its everything behind the vote that’s the problem. Changing boundaries, making back room deals to get the candidates they want standing in the first place, leaks and lies to control the media narrative to influence who people vote for. All of that is corrupt and self-serving, and I really don’t know what can be done about it.

I doubt they can rig an election given the scrutiny but voter ID discriminates against groups unlikely to vote Tory and of course they try to bribe the voters in the pre-election budget. Also they play the anti-immigration card - witness the awful Bill about refugees.

The need for photo ID is imo a calculated step just short of "rigging", by the Tories to reduce the younger vote. So for example, bus passes count as photo Id but student passes don't, young people's travel cards don't.

You need your NI number and a selfie. Most councils are running sessions so you don't need Internet or a computer or reading skills. Not exactly difficult to do and I'm not sure what your comment about "right papers" refers to..

Let's face it, if elections ever achieved anything they'd make them illegal.

Its everything behind the vote that’s the problem. Changing boundaries, making back room deals to get the candidates they want standing in the first place, leaks and lies to control the media narrative to influence who people vote for. All of that is corrupt and self-serving, and I really don’t know what can be done about it.

Yes and yes! Agreed.

All parties are involved at the count alongside officials. Away with your undemocratic nonsense.

You do know that other post boxes are available?

They can only 'rig' in the way they already have. First past the post, parachuting in populist candidates and realigning constituency boundaries in their favour. I'm inclined to think that photo ID also favours the Tories because less affluent people may not have photo ID.

Otherwise the count is probably one of the most open parts of our democracy. All parties have people watching the count, as do the independent candidates. I actually have pretty high confidence that the actual count is accurate to an acceptable margin (there will always be human error, but not to the thousands).

They've already introduced voter ID. That alone is going to skew votes heavily in their favour (what a coincidence).

If you think that's not difficult to do then you obviously haven't worked/ had much experience with some of the most vulnerable people in our society.

It might not be difficult to do for you.

For some people - people who deserve a say in who governs their country - it is difficult.

Whilst I wouldn't doubt for a second this shower of cunts would rig an election in a heartbeat, we also need to remember their staggering - almost incomprehensible - incompetence.

Not only do you need to rig the election, you need to do it and not get caught.

However I suspect they will also happily take the next best path which is when they lose, find all sorts of reasons why the next government is somehow "not democratic". After all, they are already pledged to "push the legal boundaries" internationally.

Except voter ID doesn't discriminate against anyone as free voter ID is available.

www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

We already know voter ID is legal as per the Supreme Court. And we can also note the success of voter ID in another part of the UK - Northern Ireland. As well as in other European countries.