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verdantverdure · 2023-03-04T08:52:14+00:00

AIBU to think that it was basic common sense to know in advance that Rishi Sunak's Eat Out To Help Out short term boost for the economy would begin the covid second wave and kill tens of thousands of people in the U.K.? YABU Who knew that packing out restaurants during an airborne pandemic would lead to infections and deaths? YANBU Eat Out To Help Out was obviously going to cost British lives.

Luredbyapomegranate · 04/03/2023 10:02

Chocolatefreak · 04/03/2023 09:45

This sentence

'I've kept it out of the news'

is the most worrying thing about this. Ministers should not have the power to control what's in the media. Especially when public health is at risk.

Every government / organisation / public individual since the dawn of time does what they can to control PR.

Did you really not know this?

IkBenDeMol · 04/03/2023 10:07

Eat out to die out? 🙄

What a selective memory some people have. Cases were low throughout summer 2020. It was only when schools/universities went back that cases started to rise. It was also not compulsory - nobody was forcing you out of your house and into your local Nando's twice a week.

Stuff your gob to save a job is a much better slogan - surprised Rishi didn't think of that!

FancyFanny · 04/03/2023 10:07

Lockdown was a load of rubbish! I had to go to work in a primary school all through lockdown- yet wasn't allowed to meet those same colleagues I'd spent all day in a crowded classroom with for a drink after work. Stupid rules!

bigbluebus · 04/03/2023 10:09

DS and I took advantage of this scheme a few times. Neither of us caught covid.
YABU

ClairDeLaLune · 04/03/2023 10:09

YANBU

And those saying we shouldn’t have been locked down - you’d have preferred a totally overwhelmed NHS and thousands more dead, including many more NHS workers, would you?

x2boys · 04/03/2023 10:10

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/03/2023 09:51

Winter flu causes insane amount of deaths and has the NHS on its knees every single winter. Why is it we don’t have a lockdown every winter?

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Because it was a novel virus ,which at the time they were not sure how to.treat and at points over a thousand people a day were dying from it 🤔
My son is currently in critical care ( not for covid) and staff on the unit you know the ones that actually cared for covid patients ,say it was a crazy time like nothing they had ever seen before .

Jennybeans401 · 04/03/2023 10:10

YABU

It was an awful time and there were stringent measures to prevent infection.

I also think it's strange to see how they're published all Hancock's person messages to ministers. We all say things that might be considered flippant and its really taken out of context.

PandasAreUseless · 04/03/2023 10:13

Oh give over 😅

Allschoolsareartschools · 04/03/2023 10:13

I've got some really good memories of eat out to help out, lovely meals & so nice to be out & about.
It really boosted hospitality & I always felt safe but I worked throughout the Lockdown & was never dramatic about it anyway.

Mariposista · 04/03/2023 10:15

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/03/2023 09:35

The effects of lockdown, all its nuances - such a MH problems, people’s now inability to socially interact, the poor babies and toddlers who were cooped up and missed out on interaction, the effects on children’s education not being in school, the exams unfairness - will be felt for years and are 1000x more damaging than COVID.

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Totally agree.

Vegrocks · 04/03/2023 10:15

So weird

Reading this thread is like going back in time by 2 years.

I wondered whether I’d clicked on a zombie thread! 😂

AKAsomeonelse · 04/03/2023 10:16

YABU!

chosenone · 04/03/2023 10:16

We enjoyed lots of meals and it was great to see hospitality moving again. Surely shielding and vulnerable people didn’t use it? Also the virus is still everywhere now and is now endemic. Once we started the vaccination programme what more could we do?

IkBenDeMol · 04/03/2023 10:17

I don't think anyone objected to the first 6 week lockdown in March 2020. It was new, scary, no virus, didn't know what we were dealing with.

But in Scotland we were not free of restrictions until April 2022. It went on FAR too long.

Ginmonkeyagain · 04/03/2023 10:18

We ate out a few times using the scheme. Chose local venues carefully, we didn't get covid.

We are low risk, maybe we would have behaved differently if we weren't but that is our judgement and choice.

I think people who do not work in an industry affected by lockdowns have no idea how desperate things got financially for entertainment, culture, hospitality etc..

Iamclearlyamug · 04/03/2023 10:19

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl couldn't agree more.

In fact I'm not really sure why the OP is bringing this up now, years later. Plus there's a covid topic especially for it 🤷‍♀️

fluffi · 04/03/2023 10:20

YABU.

No-one forced anyone to eat out.

It is (and was) pretty obvious the more you mixed with people the higher the chance of catching Covid (same as any other bug or virus).

I didn’t participate because I’m risk and illness adverse. Others thought it was worth the risk, that was their choice and at the time as the healthcare system did have capacity to attempt to treat anyone that needed extra medical assistance (although with all the treatment in the world not everyone will survive Covid, Flu or other viruses)

I agreed with the restrictions to control covid generally, however when guidelines were relaxed it was up to people if they decided to go for a meal, no one forced them to socialise! It was a small discount off a meal, not a huge income tax break or something that would give people extra money in their pocket, cos it was still cheaper to eat at home!

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 04/03/2023 10:21

Why has Matt Hancock handed over all his messages to a journalist?!

Vegrocks · 04/03/2023 10:21

Iamclearlyamug · 04/03/2023 10:19

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl couldn't agree more.

In fact I'm not really sure why the OP is bringing this up now, years later. Plus there's a covid topic especially for it 🤷‍♀️

She’s probably bored, lonely and longing for lockdown

BeckettandCastle · 04/03/2023 10:21

YABU - we went out a few times - it was so socially distanced that you were nowhere near anyone else.

IClaudine · 04/03/2023 10:21

sashagabadon · 04/03/2023 09:53

I currently think a war is being waged between pro lockdowners like Matt Hancock and anti lockdowners like the journalist that has leaked the messages.
I am and was anti lockdown ( not so much the first one but it should have been lifted earlier) so I am on the journalist side BUT I think releasing these messages is not a good thing to do and actually they show Hancock in a reasonable light anyway. Trying to make decisions in a difficult situation and the difficulty in keeping / releasing lockdowns. Media and labour were pro MORE restrictions!

But Labour 🙄

Not sure how the messages show MH in a reasonable light. Quite the opposite.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 04/03/2023 10:22

LakieLady · 04/03/2023 09:30

YANBU.

DP and I called it Eat Out to Die Out.

The long winter evenings must just fly by…

IClaudine · 04/03/2023 10:24

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 04/03/2023 10:21

Why has Matt Hancock handed over all his messages to a journalist?!

It was for his autobiography, co-written with Oakeshott. What a fool he is, given her track record.

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 04/03/2023 10:26

YANBU it’s blatantly obvious to anyone who isn’t a moron that this was going to cause an increase in cases. Respiratory viruses spread like smoke.
So all the bullshit from March 2020 - “come into the pub and stand shoulder to shoulder at the bar 3 deep but it’s ok because we sanitised the door handles once an hour” was ridiculous.
So much emphasis on the health theatre of washing/sanitising hands (and it still exists).
1m distance in an enclosed space with little ventilation- it doesn’t matter - you are sharing the same bloody air after that time.

Whats needed going forward are better sick pay allowances, increased ventilation in buildings and things like CO2 monitors so people know when a good time to refresh the air in a space is (or hepa).

This isn’t a once in a lifetime event - or a once in a 100 yrs event (we have just been lucky in the U.K. to not get more yet).

54isanopendoor · 04/03/2023 10:26

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/03/2023 09:35

The effects of lockdown, all its nuances - such a MH problems, people’s now inability to socially interact, the poor babies and toddlers who were cooped up and missed out on interaction, the effects on children’s education not being in school, the exams unfairness - will be felt for years and are 1000x more damaging than COVID.

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I'd add, people who could not access healthcare & then died of, eg, cancer.

EOTHO undoubtedly caused a spike in infections (eg I remember friends who travelled by train from Edinburgh to York to meet friends who'd Tubed across London then travelled by train to York to meet them: all then 'caught' Covid)

But at the same time our Great Govornment were partying with abandon ...

I'd say YABU though. A 2nd wave was inevitable. Getting people out in a controlled way in warmer weather pre autumn school returning was not totally daft (plus it helped keep some businesses alive). The worst damage was to young people imo. I have 2 ASD teens & it's put them back a great deal.