to think Gavin Williamsons views on teachers have been found out and he is trying to back pedal

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Leaked WhatsApp messages about schools during Covid and re-opening.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/01/leaked-messages-boris-johnson-bemoaning-face-masks-u-turn

In October 2020, Williamson said publicly the following year’s exams would be postponed for a few weeks to make up teaching time. According to the leaked messages, Hancock then got in touch with his cabinet colleague to say “what a bunch of absolute arses the teaching unions are”.

Williamson replied: “I know they really really do just hate work.” Hancock then responded with a laughing emoji and a bullseye.

Dr Mary Bousted, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, said in response to the leak: “Why am I utterly unsurprised to now have it absolutely confirmed that Gavin Williamson was unfit to be secretary of state for education?”

According to Williamson, these comments were about "some unions" and he has the utmost respect for teachers who went above and beyond during the pandemic.

Yet it's the teachers who would be doing the work, not the Unions. So who was he saying who "really really just hate work"

Replied to wrong person! Sorry!

Got it to work.

It's also a year old

As self reported

@KievsOutTheOven

I haven't claimed everyone else has reading issues

You need to stop making stuff up lol

Yet here you are, continually bringing up lockdowns in 2020 …

Do you know, I knew you weren't asking in good faith and I nearly didn't bother posting but I was intrigued to see how you'd dismiss it.

That you chose to dismiss it as a year old yet you posted death rates from 2020 is quite funny, really.

Is that really all you have?

Sorry.

All teachers are making stuff up.

Anyway, we have just been offered a far better pay deal so it seems all the disruption is paying off 🎉🎉🎉

Yeah exactly. Yet many of them (or at least the unions were complaining) about returning to work. Of course not all teachers are like that at all but there are definitely a group of teachers on mn who are particularly militant and moany about everything. Some of the bile from these people during the the pandemic was disgraceful.

Even I can read that she says you are making stuff up. Not all teachers. You.

I meant to say that she’s claiming that all teachers have reading issues, not that we are making stuff up. That was a typing mistake.

She’s the one making stuff up though.

I wonder why there is a clique of teachers of mn who act like school kids. Is it too much mixing with school children? But it doesn’t seem to infect teachers as a whole so maybe it’s just you and your buddies.

@noblegiraffe

I posted those studies as people were discussing teachers being most at risk during that period.

I don't mean to dismiss it. If you have stats showing teachers are still self reporting covid complications at higher rates than any other role that would be great

@KievsOutTheOven

You really are being very odd. I don't know what else you want me to have? But I haven't said either of those things

Hopefully the pay deal will solve all the problems.

I didn't bring up 2020

It's what the bloody thread is about lol

What buddies are those?

I don't mean to dismiss it. If you have stats showing teachers are still self reporting covid complications at higher rates than any other role that would be great

Of course your old study is relevant but my much more recent study is irrelevant.

Of course.

You wilfully ignore every direct question posed to you which would disprove your narrative. Because you know you have a been in the bonnet about the fact that your kids didn’t go to school during lockdown because you found the process too challenging. Now for a highly educated skilled nurse like yourself, that truly is alarming - if you struggled then others must have too. What about the process was difficult? I’m keen to understand.

Some of the bile from these people during the the pandemic was disgraceful.

Gosh, I remember a particularly fuckwitted group of vile people who would follow me around trying to hound me off the board with hideous abuse, and when that didn't work, petitioned MNHQ to have me banned. They persistently claimed that I wanted schools closed, which was utter bollocks. I wanted mitigation measures to keep schools open, and when we didn't get them, schools ended up closing. I wonder if they've now all name changed out of embarrassment when they realised that perhaps listening to what I was saying might have been a more sensible course of action if they didn't want schools closed.

@noblegiraffe

It's relevant.

Im just not sure how significant self reported short term symptoms are in terms of risk

@KievsOutTheOven

Previoudly you told me to stop posting my 'truth'

Now youre annoyed I'm not posting enough of my truth?

I don't owe you any personal information. I'll share what I'm comfortable with

Ive no idea what you're on about in the rest of the comment

The way I look at it is everyone is entitled to their opinion. I worked throughout lockdown myself and we just got on with it like so many other industries. Sympathy for teachers is waning because they seemed to think that they were at a greater risk than others who were working and straight off the back of covid they've decided to strike. As an outsider looking in I'd say he's right, it does seem lately that teachers don't want to work. If it's really that terrible and underpaid then leave the profession and work elsewhere, I'm sure your work/life balance will be amazing working in healthcare, retail or hospitality.

Wow anyone who thinks teachers don't want to work clearly have no idea of the workload teachers are under. Amazing really to be so badly informed.

They all know exactly what teachers do, because their kids go to school and also they once went to school themselves, so they are experts.

/sarcasm

Most people work hard, but most of us don't constantly moan about how hard we work and how hard-done by we are. Most people who don't like their jobs, quit and do something else instead.

Oh ffs that again. This is how it goes.

POSTER A - teachers don't work/want to work....
POSTER B - well actually if you look at teachers workloads.
POSTER C - teachers always moan about their workloads...

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And yes they are leaving in droves. Its a huge problem. Most people with kids in school will have subs/hltas teaching them for part of the week at the moment. It's a national crisis that is being ignored.

And even having left (like myself) teachers post about education because they care about education and children and policy. And they are the ones on the ground knowing what it currently looks like.

If enough teachers quit, the government will be forced to offer higher wages to attract new recruits to the profession (or to attract ex-teachers to return). That's how it's supposed to work.

But schools need massive reforms and teachers need to accept this. We can't keep going on the way things are. Kids are leaving school incapable of entering the working world and the world of adulthood.

Teachers absolutely want reforms. So much of what the job is/what kids have to jump through isn't at all relevant for today or useful to the job of education.

Teachers are good at education and yet are being told and assessed on so much pointless rubbish that makes the job untenable and means kids miss out on the life skills/extra curricular and are pushed through so much content even younger. Gcses have been made so full of facts to learn they miss the skills.

Absolutely teaching and education needs to change. I think you'll find that's what Teachers are pushing for... At the end of the day they want kids to have a good experience, to love learning and to do well. Schools and all the crap around the job are not encouraging this currently. Teachers are leaving en mass.