someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

If she has claimed to be ND, or any medical expert has claimed she is ND, I can see that might be a mitigating factor, e.g. around leaving the scene.

I believe that it was raised as a significant issue in the trial but the judge determined that she still able to determine right from wrong.

Her lack of remorse and behaviour was raised by her barrister as she struggles to show empathy and emotions, but the judge also dismissed this.

She didn't shove her or force her off the pavement.
The cyclist was going to fast to stop on a narrow path with on coming pedestrians.
She swerved around the pedestrian and fell off because she couldn't stop in time.
She would have had to swerve whether the pedestrian waved their arms or not.

It was an accident that happened because pedestrians and cyclists were in the same space.

This thread is getting ridiculous now with so many repetitive comments and people who obviously haven’t bothered to look at the facts of the case.

The path was not narrow. It was 2.4m. There was plenty of space for them to pass each other safely. She wasn’t cycling too fast, from the way she fell it looks like she was actually going quite slowly. They were almost past each other when she fell which suggests she did not swerve because she was headed for the pedestrian but because the pedestrian approached her in an aggressive manner. Had the pedestrian walked calmly by there would have been no need to her to swerve.

Ok, but was she shoved?

Perhaps these two street view photos on Huntingdon's Ring Road that straddle the accident site might change some views about "shared cycleway".

I found the final paragraph of the Daily Fail's report interesting:

In 1 year (2019) 5 cyclists died due to pedestrians.
In 14 years (2005-2018) 6 pedestrians died due to cyclists.

Seems that pedestrians are far more dangerous to cyclists than the other way round!

I wonder (honestly) if we're seeing the same video?

news.sky.com/video/auriol-grey-jailed-for-manslaughter-after-aggressively-gesturing-at-cyclist-who-fell-into-road-12823966

She does appear to shove her and she certainly flaps her hands to squeeze her off the pavement.

It's a wide enough shared pavement with the cyclist cycling close to the kerb (considerately). Cyclists choices were stop (yes she's going slow enough, but there's an aggressive woman shouting at her), swerve inward (but same woman is then walking into her path), continue (can see why this seemed safest choice).

Why should Auriol Grey get to endanger and bully another woman like this? If she's scared of the cyclist there's time and space for her to move inward. If she's not scared what's she playing at? Cyclist has a right to be there.

Great, but that's not where it was.

I think so. But even if not, she was corralled to the side of the pavement in a position where she could only veer out into traffic, and attacked (even just a minor tap) deliberately from the other side.

I'm sure a fit young man would have sped on and survived the encounter. You're more vulnerable cycling slowly and at the edge of the path - though that's safer for pedestrians.

I can see her barrister said she struggled to show empathy and emotion in person (as opposed to in writing). But that's still not an explanation for the behaviour she's been charged with.

Lots of people struggle to show empathy and emotion without attacking and endangering people who annoy them.

I don't know the individual so wouldn't seek to diagnose or exclude a diagnosis. But ND does not mean sociopath.

Accident was on the B1514 Nursery Road (which is the ring road) outside the building belonging to Cambridgeshire & Peterborough NHS Foundation Trust (whose CCTV everbody has been watching).

The second photo is on Nursery Road approx 90m South East of the location. The first photo is further away from the scene to the North West.

Then she should have stopped rather than swerve around a lampost onto a road. Thats really quite dangerous cycling.
The pedestrian did not approach her. She waved her arms.

I wonder that too.

You have no idea where the cyclist was on the pavement as she approached the cyclist because she was out of shot.

The lamp post is on the inside of the path - nobody swerves around it. It's some distance from Auriol Grey, and the cyclist continues straight along the outside of the path until she falls.

Auriol Grey shouting, swearing and (at least) waving her arms would not seem to be a safe person to stop by!

I suppose cyclist is either carrying on straight as she was - from her angle of approach that looks likeliest. Or she's already moved as far as she can to the outer edge in response to Auriol Grey's gesticulations by the time she comes into frame.

She can't have moved further in toward AG unless she was originally on the road and jumped the kerb, which wouldn't fit AG's reactions. So AG if frightened (as opposed to aggressive) can move in if she wants to.

I'm not doubting you (honest) but I can't find a road junction with railings like that first picture anywhere near 90m away. Could you give me a Google maps or what3words link to the exact points of those pictures? No problem if it's too much trouble, it's only for my own curiosity after all.

Whether or not AG shoved the cyclist - I think she did, and she admits "light contact" after shouting and swearing, so definitely an attack - if you're gesturing violently at someone to move out and they're doing so, you yourself move in if you're worried about a collision.

She killed this woman by attacking her, whether or not she pushed her to her death.

I really think it’s extremely likely that there was a push. The cyclist was completely under control and proceeding in a straight line before dramatically losing control at the same second that AC turned her body towards the cyclist and raised her arm toward her. It just looks remarkably like a push. That, coupled with the admission of ‘light contact’ makes it easily the most plausible explanation, even if focusing on AC’s other conduct was the more conclusive and easier means of securing the conviction.

What are you talking about?

How could she have possibly swerved around the lamppost?

The lamppost is on the inside of the sidewalk. The cyclist didn't swerve around it.

That's right - she didn't swerve around the lamp post. Nor did she swerve around Auriol Grey.

She cycles safely by Auriol Grey and then ... either is spooked by the waving and swearing and "light contact" of AGs hand and veers on to the road;

or is pushed by AG (who pauses, turns, and makes "light contact" with her hand) on to the road.

It's sad to think other elderly cyclists may be scared off this really beneficial habit by bullies behaving like AG. I wish people wouldn't blame a 77 year old who seems to be as competent, calm and courteous as anyone could expect in the circumstances for falling victim to a crime.

The sentence is totally inappropriate and way over the top. At the most she should have got a suspended sentence with community service. She gestured but didn't hit out. As a disabled pedestrian I can totally understand her annoyance and maybe fear at a cyclist bearing down on her. The CCTV shows the gesture then a second or so later the cyclist veering into the kerb. It is a total tragedy, but was not aggression on the part of the pedestrian. I am sure this will be appealed.

She said herself that she made contact with the cyclist.

Doesn’t matter the threshold for common assault is threatening language and behaviour that may lead the victim to feel that she maybe physically assaulted.
From the cyclists actions of swerving that is clear she felt that she was going to be so adjusted accordingly.
and it is all about the victims perceptions in common assault no one else.
it is low because normally the punishments for common assault aren’t severe. Here it led to death so man slaughter kicks in

It was aggression. She was shouting "get off the fucking pavement."

Her disability would have been taken into account.

Just because she might have felt frightened by a cyclist coming towards her doesnt mean she gets permission to behave as she did and kill them.