someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

she was too fast on that bike.

The person trying to avoid conviction and jail after killing someone said it was light contact. Make of that what you will

As it turns out, she's dead, her husband is widowed, the family in the car are traumatized, and the selfish twat who caused this is in prison. And quite rightly so. There's no way that the cyclist deserved to be punished by death. Clearly the legal system agrees with that.

So the pedestrian did push the cyclist?

You can see the woman waving her hands towards the victim. The victim lost balance because she thought she was going to be attacked and she ended up under a car. She caused the accident. What a way to go 😔

Just read the case
That is heartbreaking,
The law has now changed ( since this case ) priority goes to the pedestrian.

It is now the duty of a cyclist to move for a pedestrian, a car driver to move for a cyclist etc

I have not seen the video (dont want to) but that makes a bit more sense.

No different to someone suddenly shouting at a pedestrian walking on the pavement and making them jump and fall into the road.

You don't see her until she falls off, and then she does that in that comedy lost balance kinda collapse on yourself way. She doesn't ditch off the bike like someone travelling at speed.

I say this as someone who has fallen off a bike a thousand times

I really dislike the trend for using victim impact statements in this sort of case - implying that the crime is worse because the person had loved ones who were affected - so, if the person had been without family and completely friendless, that would lessen the crime? No, it wouldn't.

The only person whose victim impact statement should be admissible is the direct victim, in cases where the crime is not murder/manslaughter.

And if the pedestrian had got the bus instead of walking the cyclist would be alive too.

Urgh. I watched the video.

The pedestrian spooked the cyclist who did looked like she was going very slowly at the edge of the pavement. You see her feet easily hit the pavement to try and stop.

Moral of the story is
Dont put lives at risk by cycling on the pavement unless, it’s a clearly marked cycling route and you are prepared to give way to pedestrians, buggies, etc if there’s not enough room for you to pass safely for both / all of you.

Human beings are unpredictable,

Pedestrians have always had priority on pavements - and on shared paths for that matter.

Moral of the story:

Don't push people off bikes, ever, you will probably go to jail

Is there a Go Fund Me for an Appeal as this is clearly a huge miscarriage of justice?

Cyclists do not belong on pavements and if the Police won’t state that it was a cycle path, then it’s a pavement for pedestrians.

if The cyclist wasn’t on the pavement none of this would have happened.

Cyclist is not faultless here.

As far as I can see nobody's reporting that she was even accused of pushing the cyclist off her bike. I suppose that could just be inaccurate reporting though.

If the Jury decided she actually gave her a shove into road onto path of oncoming car - I can see why manslaughter would apply.

If it was two pedestrian walking side by side and one shoved the other off the pavement onto oncoming car I'd think manslaughter would apply as well.

The reason why the shove was done wouldn't matter really - here it's the pedestrian upset with bike on pavement but the shove bit would be the bit that mattered.

I'm not so sure about the shove from the images I've seen but expect the court would have longer clips and the pedestrian did admit to touching her - so shove doesn't sound that unlikely.

I’m baffled why this woman has been sent to jail. The whole case is tragic and dreadful for all involved. Ok, she shouldn’t have swore etc; but she’s disabled, partially sighted and someone was cycling on the pavement. I’m really not sure if going to jail was in the publics interest

The cyclist doesn't seem to have been doing anything illegal. Even the police weren't sure if cyclists were allowed to use that pavement, so surely the cyclist gets the benefit of that doubt.

This situation wouldn't have occurred if the person hadn't rode on the pavement but on the balance of probabilities thousands of such interactions happen daily without anyone dying. The more exceptional circumstance is the pedestrian making aggressive moves to possibly attack the cyclist immediately resulting in their death.

This thread is proof that people will argue black is white if the other option is siding with a cyclist

Agree
Absolutely no signs down that road identifying it as shared.
Drop kerbs are for pedestrians to use, not cyclists on a pavement for pedestrians
A cyclist passing a journalist as has been seen on news is also breaking the law, not identifying justification.

If loads of cyclists use the path it doesnt make it legal.

I am not saying the ped had any right to do what she did or indeed walk away afterwards but the idea that the cyclist is blameless is ridiculous.

The main take away I get from this is the pedestrian must have had a dreadful lawyer.

I’m going to share this for all the people saying it’s the cyclists fault for being on the pavement, it’s from the court hearing today: It. Was. A. Shared. Use. Path!

Cyclists do not belong on pavements and if the Police won’t state that it was a cycle path, then it’s a pavement for pedestrians.

No it's not clear cut if it is or isn't. Hence why they couldn't prove it either way. Someone being where hey shouldn't be isn't an excuse to behave aggressively and cause them to fall into the path of a car either.

If I find some random person in my garden, where they clearly shouldn't be and they show no signs of aggression and I get irate, push them, they hit their head and die. I'm probably going to be charged regardless of whether or not they had a right to be there.