someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

UK is very much anti cyclist, roads are absolute death traps for cyclists and not enough cycle paths. l have given up cycling, and know of many others who have done the same.
This pedestrian is very typical of negative attitude concerning cyclists, and I'm glad she got caught on CCTV. She's got to live with the consequences of her selfish behaviour now.

Not if they’re not supposed to be on the path.
A pedestrian shouldn’t have to get out of the way to allow someone to break the law.

( reference not related to this case, just the comment here )

But yes, in a more general sense, cyclists have become emboldened by the current climate as more and more traffic measures seem to favour them

which traffic measures have changed to favour cyclists?

Also if you can see them coming, they can see you. So get off the pavement.
New law gives priority to pedestrian, as PP has noted.

Great post @WhereYouLeftIt - thank you. Good clear view of the pavement and you can see why there's uncertainty over the shared use aspect.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the pedestrian is selfish and the
the idea that a cyclist is not selfish for cycling on a pavement

Ltns

Whole bus lanes being turned into cycle lanes

I know the cases aren't exactly aligned, but how can this man kill a teenage girl after shouting "move cause I'm not stopping" hitting her with his bike causing her death, get fined £2200 www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1032894/Parents-anguish-killer-cyclist-walks-away-just-fine.html

Yet, this lady gets three years in prison?

Well the pedestrian did kill the cyclist. Although they goes beyond selfish and closer to criminally insane.

I hope anyone who is defending the pedestrian has read the victim impacts from the cyclist’s husband and daughter and the driver of the car, whose 2 year old was in the car with her. All those lives have been destroyed by the actions of the pedestrian.

I think the issue is, cyclists as a whole act like they have right of way EVERYWHERE. Right on the road, right on a pavement, right to scream at pedestrians crossing a road and also to run the red when they see fit.

I see more bad cyclists than good in London, and thats before we start the issue of the Lime bikes etc being discarded in the middle of a pavement.

I had a man constantly ringing his bell at me to get out of his way as he cycled at speed down a pavement NEXT TO the cycle lane.

If the cyclist was going at such a speed that she swerved rather than stopped, I would have said she was going too fast anyway.

If I forced a cyclist into the path of oncoming traffic I would have a pretty good idea of the possible outcomes. Ridiculous to say no reasonable person could have predicted it! Also, from the way she swerves and falls, it looks to me like she was cycling slowly, not at speed. And the pavement was 2.4m wide (according to The Guardian article). Hardly narrow. There was space for them to pass each other safely had the pedestrian chosen to keep to her side of the path rather than swear and gesticulate. Her actions caused the cyclist’s death. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised at the verdict. Absolute tragedy. I really feel for the driver of the car too.

Good point. There have been a few cases of cyclists being found guilty of killing a pedestrian because they did not stop, I dont know of any cases where this was manslaughter.

Haven't read the full thread (sorry)

Am I the only one who thinks the pedestrian looks to have actually physically pushed/nudged the cyclist off the pavement? I've watched the CCTV clip over and over, and right before it cuts off there does seem to have been contact

Well if she had been walking on the pavement with her bike she would still be alive.

Exactly

Wow !
probably best you are off the roads

Some people from some group break laws therefore next time I walk past one I'm gonna make a concerted effort to possibly kill one.

Yeah, seems legit

The unfortunate victim was a 77-year-old lady. Surely, 77-year-olds like 7-year-olds should be cycling on the pavement?

No she admitted to contact

If the cyclist fell off as a result of her own cycling ability then she would have wobbled for a short period whilst losing balance and then fell to the side.

watching this video it is obvious she was not wobbling at all there is a very definite and sudden movement to the right at the exact time that the pedestrians body turned towards her and her arm raised. She either therefore made contact or scared the cyclist sufficiently to make the sudden movement, which considering how close the cyclist was to the road it was reasonably foreseeable that it was a dangerous act.

she was just a woman trying to get from a to b. It isn’t clear whether it is a shared use path or not, but even if she did make a mistake, did she deserve to die for it? Was the pedestrian entitled to take matters into her own hands and be aggressive?

Why? What a bizarre comment. 🤨

How bloody callous is this view!!

From what I saw in the video the cyclist wobbled and fell into into the road, which suggests she was actually going quite slowly. If she’d been going fast she’d have been more likely to have knocked the pedestrian off balance, especially given the pedestrian apparently has balance / mobility issues and admitted making contact with the cyclist.

She admitted to light contact but it looks more than that to me with the way the bike very suddenly moves