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someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Weefreetiffany · 02/03/2023 07:15

Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

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MichelleScarn · 02/03/2023 07:18

It sounds like she's swiped at the woman cyclist who's swerved to avoid being hit and gone into the path of a car and been killed? So although she didn't hit her, if she hadn't done the swiping the cyclist wouldn't have swerved and been hit?

minou123 · 02/03/2023 07:21

The only thing that is toxic is the Daiily Mail

Inaccurate and sensational reporting and clickbait headlines.

Stop reading the Daily Mail

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 02/03/2023 07:21

There seems to be uncertainty about whether it was a pedestrian path or a 'shared cycleway'.

Namechangeforthis88 · 02/03/2023 07:22

It's all explained in the article. The pedestrian's reaction was found to be disproportionate and unnecessary (described as aggressive), it resulted in the cyclist swerving into the road and being hit by a car, which killed her. It does sound as though the pedestrian's intention was to force the cyclist into the road.

There was CCTV, it was investigated and proved in court.

Holiwoes · 02/03/2023 07:22

'swiped angrily' and shouted 'get off the fucking pavement'

Soo a 77 year old is riding towards her and she tries to Hit her. Woman swerves to avoid getting hit/punched/slapped and gets hit by car.

Definitely pedestrians fault, I'm struggling to see how you think differently

hattie43 · 02/03/2023 07:23

I wondered about this , very sad outcome but wasn't sure about a criminal offence unless the cyclist was pushed into the path of the car .
My immediate reaction though was that cyclist should not have been on the pavement, if she alarmed the pedestrian maybe she was 'swiped' away and lost her balance .
All very strange

msbevvy · 02/03/2023 07:24

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 02/03/2023 07:21

There seems to be uncertainty about whether it was a pedestrian path or a 'shared cycleway'.

It's bizarre that they were unable to establish this as it is crucial to the case. It certainly looks like an ordinary pavement in the photo. It doesn't look wide enough to be safely shared by cyclists and pedestrians.

hattie43 · 02/03/2023 07:24

minou123 · 02/03/2023 07:21

The only thing that is toxic is the Daiily Mail

Inaccurate and sensational reporting and clickbait headlines.

Stop reading the Daily Mail

Oh give over , it's the most read paper out there .!

Tanfastic · 02/03/2023 07:24

Very sad for the poor woman that's died but I agree baffling. If she's pushed her off the pavement I could understand but it said she was partially sighted and reads like she was maybe heading for her on the pavement and she's waved her arm to tell her to get out of the way. May be wrong though.

I wonder what would have happened if the pedestrian had swerved into the road to avoid the pavement cyclist and got hit by a car.

I don't think it helped her case though that she didn't stop and help she buggered off.

HedwigIsMyDemon · 02/03/2023 07:25

Your last paragraph is a stretch given the victim was also an older woman!

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Weefreetiffany · 02/03/2023 07:25

I think it’s a stretch to say she tried to hit her. There are so many posts about aggressive cyclists riding on pavements they should be on. If you’re that unsteady on a bike that you would wobble and fall off it by someone gesticulating at you, should you even be cycling? The 49 year old was rude but not unreasonable and certainly not criminal.

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Namechangeforthis88 · 02/03/2023 07:25

Also, the answer to your question is in the URL itself, the crime that has been committed is manslaughter.

Gingernaut · 02/03/2023 07:25

Also reported by BBC

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64512139

TinklyLaughTime · 02/03/2023 07:26

There's cctv online of it.

The pedestrian lashed out at her and shouted 'get off the fucking pavement!' which was deemed to be the reason the cyclist fell off her bike into the road and got hit.

TeachesOfPeaches · 02/03/2023 07:26

I've seen the CCTV and she just waves her arms at the cyclist, doesn't touch her at all. I'm guessing it didn't help that when the lady got hit by the car, the pedestrian left and went to the supermarket.

Devoutspoken · 02/03/2023 07:26

Its interesting that you think the atmosphere in this country is so toxic to middle aged women, I get from that sad story that its toxic to cyclists. Just share space and be tolerant

minou123 · 02/03/2023 07:26

hattie43 · 02/03/2023 07:24

Oh give over , it's the most read paper out there .!

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I didn't say it wasn't. 🙄

Still toxic, clickbait, pile of shite.

Namechangeforthis88 · 02/03/2023 07:26

Depends how close the gesticulation was. Did you witness the incident? Have you reviewed the footage?

ShakespearesBlister · 02/03/2023 07:27

Her actions in doing what she did caused the cyclist to fall into the path of a car and lead to the death. She then walked off and did her shopping leaving the woman dead in the road and did nothing to try and help.

From CPS

Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways:

Killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.

Conduct that was grossly negligent given the risk of death, and did kill ("gross negligence manslaughter"); and

Conduct taking the form of an unlawful act involving a danger of some harm that resulted in death ("unlawful and dangerous act manslaughter").

thecatsthecats · 02/03/2023 07:28

The police officer heard her testimony, then viewed the footage, and asked her why she was making her claims, to which the defendent said "I don't know".

Which sounds very much like she was absolutely bullshitting, and the footage clearly showed her at fault.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 02/03/2023 07:29

The outcome of the incident is of course tragic, but I’m struggling to see how the partially sighted pedestrian with cerebral palsy is more at fault here than the woman cycling on the pavement?

ShakespearesBlister · 02/03/2023 07:29

I'd say the middle one applies here. There's clear risk someone might die if you act in a way that could cause them to fall into the path of a car.

CornishGem1975 · 02/03/2023 07:29

It's a bizarre story. The police couldn't determine whether it was a shared path/cycleway? Surely that should be obvious.

If it was just a path then the lady shouldn't have been on there anyhow, if she'd been on the road in the first place the accident wouldn't have happened.

I've yelled at cyclists who are going to fast on pavements in the past.

I do wonder if this had been an older pedestrian and a younger person on the bike whether it would have resulted in the same charges. I doubt it.

TrishM80 · 02/03/2023 07:30

Oh yeah, the only reason she was prosecuted is because she's a middle aged woman....🙄

Get a grip.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 02/03/2023 07:30

She then walked off and did her shopping leaving the woman dead in the road and did nothing to try and help.

Would this have had a bearing on the outcome of the case?

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