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Original poster

Would you expect your probation to end for this?

102 replies

nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:26

On probation it's six months in a new position.

Work hours are eight hours.

Started at 12.30pm and left at 7.15pm so 1 hour 15 minutes early and this was after a discussion about a similar scenario to do with working hours.

Would you expect to still have a job?

Can you also say if you or anyone you know has had probation ended and if so what for - is it enough to just say the person doesn't fit the culture of the company do you think?

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Annoyingwurringnoise · 01/03/2023 21:29

What do you mean after a similar discussion about working hours? Did you agree with the bus that you could leave What do you mean after a similar discussion about working hours? Did you agree with the boss that you could leave early?early?

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 01/03/2023 21:30

Depends who the discussion was with. A colleague - not ok. Line manager or supervisor - ok.

Sounds like you want this person gone tbh.

Annoyingwurringnoise · 01/03/2023 21:30

Don’t know what happened there

Danikm151 · 01/03/2023 21:31

If you are employed less than 2 years you can be let go for any reason. You can simply be told you aren’t needed anymore.

leaving work that early without approval would definitely be a reason to be told to leave

Soapboxqueen · 01/03/2023 21:31

Do you mean someone just buggered off early? Have they done it repeatedly?

Is there a reason why?

Does the management know why?

Hellocatshome · 01/03/2023 21:32

You left work early? Was this authorised? If not then yes I would expect them to let you go unless there were mitigating circumstances.

MrsBunnyEars · 01/03/2023 21:33

Why did you leave early, and who did you talk to about it before going?

I’ve let people go during probation because they weren’t up to the job, either because of capability or attitude.

Flouncing off early without saying anything leaving work to be done would certainly be a very bad mark against your attitude, but on its own wouldn’t be the thing that ended your probation for me.

A sensible discussion about working hours where we agreed you could leave early and you had a plan to cover anything missed could be a positive for me if it showed you were mature.

Greensleevevssnotnose · 01/03/2023 21:34

Why do people write such cryptic threads? Seems rather attention seeking to me.

Quitelikeit · 01/03/2023 21:34

You can’t just leave work when you feel like it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Donnashair · 01/03/2023 21:35

The op gives no information at all.

previous discussion with who? Even the topic of the discussion doesn’t make sense

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nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:35

Ok sorry so there been a build up of things yes and it led to me making it explicitly clear the working day is eight hours and missing a lunch break isn't a reason to leave early (even if this were the case lunch is half so it is still way off) but despite this discussion I've found evidence as put in my original post

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CandlelightGlow · 01/03/2023 21:36

Do you mean that one of your employees on probation left early despite already having a discussion with you or their line manager about the fact that they have left early?

Being 100% honest, I have been through similar. I was only 19, it was my first office job and I'd gotten away with murder in my previous job, and I was really good in other ways, so I managed to appeal the decision and stay on.

But yes, the repeated leaving early or being late without making up the hours was cited as the reason for ending my contract. It was not done early though, it was at the 6 month meeting. Previous discussions with me had been held about my leaving early.

That was 10 years ago now and I'm a punctual, hard working employee Smile

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nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:37

Lol sorry everyone I thought my post was clear but obviously not.

The point is someone left their shift 1 hour and 15 minutes early that's all there is to it (there are other things but too may for one thread!)

Is this in itself something you would end probation for?

The person had a discussion with their manager about two weeks prior to say it's an eight hour working day

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Hellocatshome · 01/03/2023 21:38

So you are the employer? I hope your conversations with the staff are easier to follow than your posts. But yes if you have explained they cannot leave early and they continued to leave early I would let them go. Plenty of good workers out there dont saddle yourself with one that takes the piss.

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nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:39

@MrsBunnyEars can you give an example of attitude?

Sorry I'm not being daft but I feel this is one of those situations, the person is pleasant enough in conversation but I get the impression they're just there to do bare minimum and it's a sales role

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RedCarsGoFaster · 01/03/2023 21:39

So someone is routinely leaving early by saying they aren't taking their breaks - is that right?

Original poster
nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:39

@Hellocatshome sorry lol it's been a long day!!! Feel like I should repost this!! Sorry for the confusion

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CandlelightGlow · 01/03/2023 21:39

nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:37

Lol sorry everyone I thought my post was clear but obviously not.

The point is someone left their shift 1 hour and 15 minutes early that's all there is to it (there are other things but too may for one thread!)

Is this in itself something you would end probation for?

The person had a discussion with their manager about two weeks prior to say it's an eight hour working day

I would be asking them if there's a reason they feel they have to leave early, have a direct and candid discussion with them.

Are they good at the role otherwise, is it just their time keeping?

Donnashair · 01/03/2023 21:40

Is this the same person you had issues with before?

Surely there’s a policy around this?

Is this your decision to make, on your own? Do you have a manager or HR you can speak to?

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nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:40

@RedCarsGoFaster they asked permission those times and I agreed but then after the second time had a conversation to say it's not a thing and won't happen again - even where your break is kissed it isn't a reason to go home early.

Also it was made clear the shift is 8 hours, then after that checked the activity log to see they left over an hour early

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Tilllly · 01/03/2023 21:40

nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:39

@MrsBunnyEars can you give an example of attitude?

Sorry I'm not being daft but I feel this is one of those situations, the person is pleasant enough in conversation but I get the impression they're just there to do bare minimum and it's a sales role

My team often bugger off early

But then they often stay longer too

Is this definitely not the case for yours?

CC4712 · 01/03/2023 21:41

Sorry, but your posts are SO confusing and cryptic? Are you the line manager? The staff member or just a colleague???

Someone needing to leave early due to an emergency and telling the manager is VERY different to someone not taking lunch and just leaving the office early!

If there are multiple other things, then I would expect the persons probation to be extended for X months to see an improvement in performance.

CandlelightGlow · 01/03/2023 21:41

nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:40

@RedCarsGoFaster they asked permission those times and I agreed but then after the second time had a conversation to say it's not a thing and won't happen again - even where your break is kissed it isn't a reason to go home early.

Also it was made clear the shift is 8 hours, then after that checked the activity log to see they left over an hour early

Not being funny but do they have work to do? Are they working from home? Have they raised any concerns about not having enough work?

There's a lot of variables really

Original poster
nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:42

Ok there are other issues but if lost them all it could be outing but the point is there are other things I'm not happy with yes

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CandlelightGlow · 01/03/2023 21:43

nCemplument · 01/03/2023 21:40

@RedCarsGoFaster they asked permission those times and I agreed but then after the second time had a conversation to say it's not a thing and won't happen again - even where your break is kissed it isn't a reason to go home early.

Also it was made clear the shift is 8 hours, then after that checked the activity log to see they left over an hour early

Woah wait that is completely different to going AWOL.

I don't think you can hold leaving early against them if you've directly given permission!

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