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Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:12

Piggywaspushed · 02/03/2023 07:05

Perhaps we should focus more on who the actual donors to the Tory party are. The current Labour party are not in thrall to 'union paymasters'. The teaching unions make no payments to any political party and are not affiliated.

Indeed. Tory donors make money selling Crystal encrusted pictures of Rishi Sunak and shooting trips.

Clear clue about who funds them! And it isn’t the ordinary man on the street.

Twiglets1 · 02/03/2023 07:19

So much of this debate is about teachers and whether they worked in schools or not during lockdown. In reality, in the large secondary school I worked at, practically all the teachers worked from home running online lessons. Face to face learning was staffed almost exclusively by Teaching Assistants, without any PPE or screens between them and the vulnerable children they worked with.
It was a strange aspect of lockdown that the people most at risk of physical harm were generally the lowest paid, including supermarket staff, care home workers, nurses & healthcare assistants, delivery drivers etc

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:20

Twiglets1 · 02/03/2023 07:19

So much of this debate is about teachers and whether they worked in schools or not during lockdown. In reality, in the large secondary school I worked at, practically all the teachers worked from home running online lessons. Face to face learning was staffed almost exclusively by Teaching Assistants, without any PPE or screens between them and the vulnerable children they worked with.
It was a strange aspect of lockdown that the people most at risk of physical harm were generally the lowest paid, including supermarket staff, care home workers, nurses & healthcare assistants, delivery drivers etc

Or not strange at all. Covid showed up the huge and utter inequality in this society.

Veryverycalmnow · 02/03/2023 07:23

Briallen · 01/03/2023 22:11

Oh my god- why don’t people understand that the latest meagre pay rise wasn’t fully funded!!! Schools have no money but they have to pay out for the 5% rise leaving them with even less money than before. Therefore having a huge impact on children as there are fewer staff, resources etc etc. don’t people want better for their kids?! Teachers aren’t being lazy or work any or greedy; we can see what is happening in our schools. We are sleepwalking into a nightmare.

This!
People seem to just believe tabloids and Tories who have zero interest in the truth.
Every teacher I know worked extremely hard during the pandemic with no protection even in face- to- face role (with hugs, snot and the rest). This was when everyone was being told to stay 2 metres apart! Schools were open for lots of kids, plus teaching the ones at home every day, adapting to creating all these online resources on top of sometimes looking after their own kids. Multi- tasking!
As a previous poster said, if teachers and T.As all decided to just work to rule people would soon change their minds. Just actually work their hours. I don't think people realise how much work is involved until they do it!

EnjoyingTheSilence · 02/03/2023 07:26

Yes it’s all the unions fault 🤔

The tories have done such a
good job at conning people that their failings are everyone else’s fault and that all MPs are the same.

It’s sickening that there are people who have forgotten the early days of the pandemic, the reasons why there had to be a lockdown. The parties, the corruption, the lies.

itsgettingweird · 02/03/2023 07:27

PaperLanterns · 01/03/2023 22:08

I don’t understand why people aren’t getting into their heads that’s it’s not just about pay. It’s about funding. I have spent hundreds of pounds over the years on stationery, books, school uniform and food for the children in my class. I’ve washed their clothes at home, I’ve paid out of my own pocket for kids to go on trips, to have Christmas lunch or to send them home with a little present at the end of the term because I can’t bear to see the kids who have nothing be left out. A couple of years ago, there weren’t enough exercise books to go around the whole school so we had to have a mishmash of books with different sized lines, covers etc until they ran out then we used bits of paper. We used to have authors in for WBD, there’s not enough money. The cleaners only come in every couple of days now.

I worked all through the pandemic in school. I also helped my headteacher unpack the delivery of hand sanitisers, gloves, masks etc that the government said we had to have then retracted their promise of funding over it so it had to come out the school’s central budget.

I don’t know how to make it clearer that it’s not just about pay. It’s about giving those kids who have nothing a chance.

👏👏👏👏

Spot on.

It's about the pupils. The future of this country.

And well done for making a difference to so many - but you shouldn't have to find it from your pay which stayed static for 5 years whilst funding decreased.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 07:30

It was a strange aspect of lockdown that the people most at risk of physical harm were generally the lowest paid, including supermarket staff, care home workers, nurses & healthcare assistants, delivery drivers etc

Not so much strange as baked in from the beginning.

I'm not one for generalising about who had it harder because there are people who were 'safe' at home on furlough who really struggled and people who were out working who were terrified. It varies. Also home certainly isn't a safe place for everyone.

But our policy response to the pandemic made the exacerbation of inequality and the accumulation of more capital by the already wealthy inevitable.

kateandme · 02/03/2023 07:31

how do the tories do it. have we seen the conversation. some of the words these shit heads have had published. and yet still theyve managed to turn the public against eachother/a group of people.
they are masters at this arent they.never being in the fucking wrong

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:36

kateandme · 02/03/2023 07:31

how do the tories do it. have we seen the conversation. some of the words these shit heads have had published. and yet still theyve managed to turn the public against eachother/a group of people.
they are masters at this arent they.never being in the fucking wrong

It’s incredible isn’t it!

And once people see through it, they’ll play the “poor me, I’m the victim” card. You’re seeing it with the Brexiteers now.

Piggywaspushed · 02/03/2023 07:37

Be really interested to see those YouGov polls.

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:39

This is talking about the SECOND lockdown, the one we had in January 2021 - and which in Scotland went on to April 2021 for schools. Lots of us at the time were very critical of the teaching unions (not the teachers themselves) for wanting all sorts of measuures and protections and mitigations and "blended learning" or whatever to keep the teachers "safe" without any thought at all for the impact on the kids.

Certainly in Scotland for a while it seemed like the unions were the ones making the decisions. I see where Hancock is coming from. Total numpty allowing a journalist access to his WhatsApp though.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 07:40

Total numpty allowing a journalist access to his WhatsApp though.

Especially that journalist!

NurseCranesRolodex · 02/03/2023 07:40

Comes across as a slimy, duplicitous shitforbrains.

Onedayatatime22 · 02/03/2023 07:42

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2023 22:07

Tbh, the teaching unions are a bunch of arses. He’s saying what a lot of people think….

Who do you think make up the unions? I hate to break it to you but every single member of the teachers' unions are, in fact, teachers!

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:47

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though, it's the nature of the beast. Just like the bloke who runs the RMT is the shoutiest, most militant train driver.

LilyTheSavage · 02/03/2023 07:48

Twat Mancock

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:49

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:47

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though, it's the nature of the beast. Just like the bloke who runs the RMT is the shoutiest, most militant train driver.

Define militant.

He’s there to represent his members, do you expect him to say nothing?

I don’t think he’s a train driver BTW.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:50

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:39

This is talking about the SECOND lockdown, the one we had in January 2021 - and which in Scotland went on to April 2021 for schools. Lots of us at the time were very critical of the teaching unions (not the teachers themselves) for wanting all sorts of measuures and protections and mitigations and "blended learning" or whatever to keep the teachers "safe" without any thought at all for the impact on the kids.

Certainly in Scotland for a while it seemed like the unions were the ones making the decisions. I see where Hancock is coming from. Total numpty allowing a journalist access to his WhatsApp though.

I wanted air filters in schools as did many others (I’m not a teacher), because I knew that covid could cause longer health damage (it was known back then!)

Schools are a cesspit of disease and kids seem to have much higher rates of illness now post covid - funny that after getting a virus which dampens their immune system.

LetThemEatTurnips · 02/03/2023 07:51

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:47

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though, it's the nature of the beast. Just like the bloke who runs the RMT is the shoutiest, most militant train driver.

Mick Lynch doesn't shout at all - you have made that up in your little head

What Mick Lynch does is explain things that some people don't like to think about, about how the government has neglected rail services for years in order to allow train companies to extract huge amounts of money from passengers to give to shareholders.

ItchySnoof · 02/03/2023 07:52

But guys guys, he went on I'm A Celeb! He's a totally normal human down to earth person, honest!!

Bet those on that thread talking about feeling sorry for him and how he was just like us feel like idiots now 😁

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:52

ItchySnoof · 02/03/2023 07:52

But guys guys, he went on I'm A Celeb! He's a totally normal human down to earth person, honest!!

Bet those on that thread talking about feeling sorry for him and how he was just like us feel like idiots now 😁

🤣🤣🤣

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 07:54

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though

Name one of these shouty militants then, and give an example of them shouting and being militant.

You can’t, can you? Though I do remember Mary Bousted being a bit cross on the Today programme once. She might have snorted in a disparaging fashion.

OrangeCinnamonLatte · 02/03/2023 07:55

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 07:47

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though, it's the nature of the beast. Just like the bloke who runs the RMT is the shoutiest, most militant train driver.

RMT is not the Union for Train Drivers HTH

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 07:56

I don't think that the teaching unions covered themselves in glory at all during covid. They are dreadful and have been since the 90s. And I am a teacher.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 07:56

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 07:54

The unions are led by the shoutiest, most militant teachers though

Name one of these shouty militants then, and give an example of them shouting and being militant.

You can’t, can you? Though I do remember Mary Bousted being a bit cross on the Today programme once. She might have snorted in a disparaging fashion.

Mary Bousted strikes me as a no nonsense teacher - one of those ones you don’t fuck about with as a kid. You know the type. They just have to arch an eyebrow and the class falls quiet.