Page 3 | To think behaviour in USA schools is better than UK?

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 16:27

Would 1000x prefer to send my kids to a state school in the US over any of the state or private options here

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/04/2023 16:29

So what everyone is saying is that there are great and shitty schools with everything in between in both countries. Shocked face ->😒

DoormatBob · 24/04/2023 16:44

Thread derailed but my theory is that American TV influence has meant kids now have more of that US confidence but what they lack is the US respect for elders.

missmollygreen · 24/04/2023 16:53

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 16:27

Would 1000x prefer to send my kids to a state school in the US over any of the state or private options here

I would LOVE to hear why lol

earsup · 24/04/2023 16:56

I taught for 3 months in a community college in south bronx, i think the behaviour was better than here and i enjoyed having my lunch with the students etc...being invited out also with parents etc...i guess i was a novelty though !

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 17:00

@missmollygreen better funded, more enrichment, whole child approach to education, less bureaucracy around SEN identification and provision, embrace creativity and hands on learning, less focus on exams (and the mental health consequences of doing so), better career guidance and support as standard, ability to foster a love of learning

just top of mind😁

AnotherBritInTheUSA · 24/04/2023 22:46

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 17:00

@missmollygreen better funded, more enrichment, whole child approach to education, less bureaucracy around SEN identification and provision, embrace creativity and hands on learning, less focus on exams (and the mental health consequences of doing so), better career guidance and support as standard, ability to foster a love of learning

just top of mind😁

100% agree with you

Ersorrywhatnow · 24/04/2023 22:59

‘Would 1000x prefer to send my kids to a state school in the US over any of the state or private options here’

so long as you’re not bothered about sticking bullet proof plates in their backpacks, why not.

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 23:16

Ersorrywhatnow · 24/04/2023 22:59

‘Would 1000x prefer to send my kids to a state school in the US over any of the state or private options here’

so long as you’re not bothered about sticking bullet proof plates in their backpacks, why not.

You can’t deal with the substance of my comment, as someone who has seen both educational systems in practice, so you revert to hysterical stereotyping. Why even bother posting?

jezlifecoach · 24/04/2023 23:18

Absolutely not! I see many teachers from the US on TikTok. It seems they have it worse than us. Lack of SEN support doesn’t help.

Rainydaysgetmedown · 24/04/2023 23:56

NowIknowMyEFGs · 01/03/2023 10:01

Any Americans on here who can tell me what behaviour is like in high schools in the states? In the UK it's pretty dire, bad language is rife, treatment of girls by boys is obscene, vaping in the toilets, rogue students wandering corridors, uncontrollable classes etc

Rubbish

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 00:29

jezlifecoach · 24/04/2023 23:18

Absolutely not! I see many teachers from the US on TikTok. It seems they have it worse than us. Lack of SEN support doesn’t help.

It's really variable from place to place here as states have the majority of control over education. Personally I've experienced better SEN support in the USA. there's more support for mainstreaming in particular.

It's rather tricky to get a general impression from TikTok, I'd say.

JMSA · 25/04/2023 00:58

I think many of you are naive about what goes on in British secondary schools. I work at a 'good' one, and can identify with all the behaviours outlined in the OP. They're carried out by a minority, but it absolutely still goes on!

MissConductUS · 25/04/2023 01:35

knitnerd90 · 25/04/2023 00:29

It's really variable from place to place here as states have the majority of control over education. Personally I've experienced better SEN support in the USA. there's more support for mainstreaming in particular.

It's rather tricky to get a general impression from TikTok, I'd say.

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My son was language delayed and got outstanding support from our school district in New York. A speech therapist came to the House twice a week before he started preschool. When he started he was mainstreamed with additional support and did quite well. He recently graduated from uni and works in finance now.

The school received additional funding for special needs kids and had an educational psychologist on staff to do diagnostic testing.

MissConductUS · 25/04/2023 01:41

They neither experienced drugs nor violence. The law can down very hard on bullying of anyone. The worst my son experienced was a girl who developed a serious crush to

mathanxiety · 25/04/2023 02:31

lailamaria · 24/04/2023 07:32

i reckon more american students would wander the halls if there wasn't a chance they'd get shot

Another clueless post...

Is there no shame about ignorance any more?

mathanxiety · 25/04/2023 02:32

Labraradabrador · 24/04/2023 17:00

@missmollygreen better funded, more enrichment, whole child approach to education, less bureaucracy around SEN identification and provision, embrace creativity and hands on learning, less focus on exams (and the mental health consequences of doing so), better career guidance and support as standard, ability to foster a love of learning

just top of mind😁

YYY to that.

wankerseverywhere · 25/04/2023 02:34

GenuinelyDone · 01/03/2023 10:13

No one has been raped at my daughter's school, or stabbed, or shot. The children don't need to walk in via security gates with security guards ready to check why they set off the sensors.

We live in a city.

I think you'd struggle to find a single city high school in USA where at least one of the above hasn't happened in the last 5 years.

Bullshit. I could name 4 off the top of my head - all within a radius of about 4 miles of my house.

But, please, carry on with the anti-US sentiment. I'm sure you speak with wisdom about all 24,000+ high schools here...🙄

wankerseverywhere · 25/04/2023 02:37

hummingbirdsinmygarden · 24/04/2023 04:31

There are over 100,000 public schools in the US according to that report.

But in response to all the other posters: millions of students go to school every day in the US without being shot at or taking a gun to school. It's horrific and I hate that it does happen, I also feel angry with the powerful gun lobby here.. BUT.. you have a very narrow and misinformed understanding of US education if all you can say about is .. 'school shooters'.

There are issues in US schools much like in the UK schools. I guess wherever you get teens you're going to get some similar problems. I would however say that my kids love going to school here. There is also, at middle and high school levels, a much broader curriculum than in the UK which means kids are exposed to more opportunities, and learning and progress isn't reduced to a set of exams at age 16 and 18. There is more creativity and collaboration, fewer petty rules, and certainly where we are, a greater degree of respect I think between students and teachers.. so yes, that possibly does mean behaviour is better, overall.

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This has been my experience too. I have one child in high school, one in middle, one in elementary. The breadth of opportunities and enrichment is off the charts. Whenever I feel a bit homesick about the UK, I look at my kids' schooling and it quashes any desire to move back.

mathanxiety · 25/04/2023 03:11

wankerseverywhere · 25/04/2023 02:37

This has been my experience too. I have one child in high school, one in middle, one in elementary. The breadth of opportunities and enrichment is off the charts. Whenever I feel a bit homesick about the UK, I look at my kids' schooling and it quashes any desire to move back.

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YYY.

I still remember going on a tour when DD1 was in 8th grade and seeing the art facilities in the local HS for the first time.

giroux · 25/04/2023 03:34

@wankerseverywhere @hummingbirdsinmygarden @mathanxiety
I totally agree with you all, my kids have had a great education and experience. I’ve taught in the public school system too, so I have seen it from that side as well.

There are great things and not so great things about US schools, and like any country, things depend on where you are (and yes, funding mechanisms are one of the terrible thing about the US public schools system).

Although, in response to a pp above, I will say that while many things in US public schools are far from perfect, Special Ed support and funding is arguably world leading thanks to IDEA, a federal law that creates immense support for kids with various diagnosis. School districts spend millions annually funding due to this and penalties for district non compliance are HIGH. (That said, at Betsy DeVos’ confirmation hearing she didn’t seem to know that IDEA was federal law…🤦‍♀️)

Aslanplustwo · 25/04/2023 03:44

mathanxiety · 25/04/2023 02:31

Another clueless post...

Is there no shame about ignorance any more?

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Apparently not. Some posters on MN can't bear the idea that another country just might do something better than the UK so they resort to this sort of ignorance.

BSB30 · 25/04/2023 04:03

I absolutely love America and have been there many times but if I am honest, I would be terrified to send my kids to school there.

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NowIknowMyEFGs · 25/04/2023 04:30

@Rainydaysgetmedown really? I'm a secondary school teacher in the UK in a "Good" school.

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NowIknowMyEFGs · 25/04/2023 04:31

@BSB30 because of what you've read in the media or personal experience?

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