To think behaviour in USA schools is better than UK?

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Any Americans on here who can tell me what behaviour is like in high schools in the states? In the UK it's pretty dire, bad language is rife, treatment of girls by boys is obscene, vaping in the toilets, rogue students wandering corridors, uncontrollable classes etc

At least in the U.K. you’ll know they’ll come home again.

You guys really can’t get enough of the US can you? This obsession make no freaking sense.

Every day you ask dumb goady ridiculous questions about the US which just descends into the typical mumsnet bashing of Americans.

There's good and bad schools all over the world, just as there are good and bad pupils in each.

There are over 100,000 public schools in the US according to that report.

But in response to all the other posters: millions of students go to school every day in the US without being shot at or taking a gun to school. It's horrific and I hate that it does happen, I also feel angry with the powerful gun lobby here.. BUT.. you have a very narrow and misinformed understanding of US education if all you can say about is .. 'school shooters'.

There are issues in US schools much like in the UK schools. I guess wherever you get teens you're going to get some similar problems. I would however say that my kids love going to school here. There is also, at middle and high school levels, a much broader curriculum than in the UK which means kids are exposed to more opportunities, and learning and progress isn't reduced to a set of exams at age 16 and 18. There is more creativity and collaboration, fewer petty rules, and certainly where we are, a greater degree of respect I think between students and teachers.. so yes, that possibly does mean behaviour is better, overall.

My children went through the US school system and are at university now. Their high school principal ran a tight ship, and still does, and there would be consequences for any of the behaviour mentioned in the OP. Vaping certainly went on outside school but never on school premises

@hummingbirdsinmygarden Please don’t waste your time, these questions are simply aimed at goading people to come up with the same old generic stereotypical posts.

No more posts until OP responds please.
At the moment it’s just goading.

Post 16 education in the UK isn't reduced to.a narrow set of exams either ,I know on mumsnet every body seems to.think all.18 year olds sit A levels ,but in reality there far more choice post 16 with courses.offered at all levels ,my son is hoping to do Creative media in September.

We don't shoot each other either.

Behaviour is good or bad depending on how will its managed here.

Once.

once.

then we brought in stricter gun laws and it’s never happened again.

For each individual child the post-16 curriculum is narrow in the UK though - typically 3 subjects

this is a daft question, how could I generalise about either country? Behaviour in my kids' high school is good, but I can tell you places it's appalling.

kids vape or smoke everywhere I'm afraid, the only question is how hard the administration comes down on it.

I will say that uniform doesn't seem to make a bit of difference no matter how much the UK is convinced it does.

A 6 year old recently brought a gun into school and shot his teacher. Yes, sounds like a much better environment.

Different countries, different issues.

What a ridiculous question. There are well-behaved children here and there are badly behaved children here, just as there are in any other country. Their nationality has nothing to do with it.

I don’t have children but I have 22 nieces and nephews, roughly half of them are Americans because they from my husband’s siblings and half are British because they are my siblings’ children. There are good ones and bad ones on each side.

Not everyone sits A levels as Ias trying to point out ,there are loads of other courses available,mumsnet is obsessed by Alevel,s!

Just moved to the U.K. from the US - my DC’s school in either country is nothing like you describe. Presumably depends where in the U.K. and where in the US and all sorts of other moveable factors inbetween?

My sister's children went to school in America. There were problems with drugs, attempts to bring weapons to school and they were searched every time they entered the premises.
My niece was bullied by other girls. She had a boyfriend (sexual relationship) by the time she was 15.
Not a great environment. Neither went on to higher education.

Ridiculous thread.

Know a few parents that have shifted their kids over to private due to kids behaviour. Teachers are on tenterhooks around kids as it’s so easy to get a career wrecking complaint.

Also, no school uniforms so while they had the freedom to dress "as they chose" it was often very competitive about having to have the right brands of clothing, boots etc.

You might want to watch season 4 of The Wire.

All depends on the type of school it is and the area it's in.

i reckon more american students would wander the halls if there wasn't a chance they'd get shot

I don’t recognise the description of U.K. schools - none of DCs schools have been are are like that.
My USA niece and nephew go to a middle school, and a high school in naice areas where the have airport style security to go into buildings, their own security men and local police assigned to the school.
Not because of ‘shooters’ but to manage the behaviour of the kids.

been like that for years.

There were wildly more drugs at my American schools (1970s & 1980s) than in my kids English schools (2000s+). I thought the behaviour was often dire in 70s & 80s. I went to 5 different schools in poor & wealthy neighbourhoods.

Weird that OP picked on vaping of all things.

But the same is true if you choose vocational courses, Btecs etc post 16. It's not a broad curriculum after GCSE no matter what you choose is it? Not like in many other countries (such as the US) where you still study a whole range of subjects.