Inclusiveness- becoming meaningless?

[FisherThem]

Does this actually mean anything??

Yes I think it means that men, women and disabled people are all supposed to use the same facilities.

I don't think it's fair really. My mother is disabled and for a number of reasons she needs a private space to use as a facility.

They're repurposed the disabled loo for this virtue signalling

What does an inclusive restroom even mean though?

It means that people with disabilities are being fucked over yet again.

Respectfully, how is a room that’s previously had an able-bodied person in it any less “private” than one that’s exclusively had disabled people in it? As a disabled person myself, there’s no logic to that at all.

YANBU. It's been meaningless for a very long time. Why do people need a sign like this? Disabled toilets are for anyone with a disability. Needing to feel "included" is not a disability and those people shouldn't be blocking a disabled person or making someone in a wheelchair queue so the "included" person can feel like their penchant for wearing dresses was acknowledged by an A4 sign someone's printed off and stuck on a door.

I read that post as the issue is with making disabled people queue e.g. if someone can't physically access the regular toilets and now needs to wait longer to use the accessible loos.

Is it to show that disabilities come in all forms, some not being visible?

This is clearly an American sign but we have them in the UK means not every disability is invisible. As a disabled person I'm not sure how I feel about 1 toilet being for all when I can't use ordinary women's toilets sometimes I think they are up for abuse.

Isn't it just the same as any other accessible toilet? That men and women use the same space - but obviously not at the same time.

The toilet rule of thumb should be, if you can use the regular toilets, you should use those, and don't be a dick to people who can't by being in their way. Just get out of the way and let disabled people have their toilets.
I'm disabled but not in a way that usually requires the disabled toilets and if I can use the regular ones, I do.

Saying that in my local shopping centre we have a row of accessible toilets like this which is good but they are not everywhere and we have signs like that on the single accessible toilet usually shared with baby changing everywhere.

They are like this in Starbucks.

One toiket for massive cafe. Makes me heave. Always queuing to get in.

Every disability is visible*

mrsjayy - this is from a central London office, and not even an American company

My issue is (and I am able bodied) a loo that was set aside for people of either sec with disabilities now becoming an inclusive space that can be used by anyone. The wheelchair icon indicates a disabled access loo and does not only that disability is always obvious. It lacks respect for people who require accessible facilities whatever their disability

Really I mean I'm not against Americanisims usuallyl but Restrooms bloody hell!

In know mrsjayy - standards!!

Inclusiveness does not exist especially if you need the use of a hoist and a changing table.

Exactly this.

The wheelchair argument is daft. Its how disability facilities are recognised everywhere. One could argue that the man/woman image shows people with mental disabilities.

However, you're right that you can't repurpose a toilet for the disabled to make it 'inclusive' when what you're actually doing is causing the same problems as before for the disabled person, unless they're adapting all toilets to make them all completely accessible

This. Not everyone with a disability and a need to use an accessible toilet uses a wheelchair.

The wheelchair argument is daft. Its how disability facilities are recognised everywhere.

Yes, and it's outdated and it perpetuates the "you don't look disabled" prejudice that many disabled people suffer when they use accessible toilets, parking spaces etc.

lockheart - so maybe there needs to be a new symbol that represents disabilities of all types to reflect your point. But I don't think just inviting anyone to use accessible facilities is progress

No inviting everybody to use the toilets isn't great either saying it's "inclusive" just means we are all the same pee here !

I think that sign means that they only have one toilet but at least it's big enough for a wheelchair. Either that or it's hopefully a fourth option in addition to separate single sex and disabled toilet facilities.

If there are two toilets and one is men only and the other is this then it's the opposite of inclusive obviously.

Where there is capacity there should obviously be separate single sex toilets each with baby changing, a dedicated disabled toilet with adult changing table (this is the biggest "need" - try taking a disabled adult who needs to lie flat to have incontinence materials changed and personal hygiene attended to out for a full day) and this inclusive toilet too, as it's inclusive then obviously wheelchair users are on the sign too, to be crystal clear that wheelchair users have access in addition to a disabled toilet, just as non wheelchair users have access in addition to the single sex toilets.