Inclusiveness- becoming meaningless?

[FisherThem]

Does this actually mean anything??

This.

It's much easier to signal inclusivity by changing the sign on the disabled toilet (and indicating that it is no longer exclusively for disabled people but now for anyone who can stand, plus wheelchair users) than it is to actually equip a genuinely inclusive disabled toilet - one inclusive of all disabilities including adults and older children who need a carer to help them with personal hygiene on a changing table.

mrsmuller - there are gender neutral loos with urinals and without. But no other accessible loo. There are plenty for able bodied people to use. This was the sole accessible single room facility that has now been opened up to everyone as inclusive

That's the opposite of inclusive 😞

this

It means people of any gender and ability can use it. Disabled toilets are not and never were for the exclusive use of disabled people they are adapted so they are accessible for disabled people. I say this as a mother of a disabled child

Not at all. They are fucked over constantly but this is not an example of it. I say this as the mother of a disabled child not to annoy you!

It means someone somewhere has ticked a box to say they've provided gender neutral facilities. They've done it by co-opting the disabled facilities, which are now less available to disabled people (by expanding the number of people who can use it, thus making it more likely that a disabled person will have to wait).

Yay for "inclusivity"

Disabled toilets are not and never were for the exclusive use of disabled people they are adapted so they are accessible for disabled people.

Be that as it may, anyone with a modicum of consideration for others would use the able bodied toilets if possible, leaving the adapted toilets for those who need that option. The last time I looked gender identity isn’t a condition requiring mobility adapted toilets.

Me neither but hidden disabilities are that's how I take the sign. Anyone of any gender with any disability visible or not can use it

This sums it up perfectly.

disabled toilets should only be for those who need accessible facilties due to their disabilities. They shouldn’t be the go to answer for anything else that doesn’t fit!

That image looks mucked-about-with to me. The angle of the graphic isn't consistent with the angle of the paper/poster. And a shadow image of the previous graphic is still visible.

That's also how I see it. And I welcome it having be abused by an old lady when coming out of one in the past.

Me neither but hidden disabilities are that's how I take the sign. Anyone of any gender with any disability visible or not can use it

Ah it may just be my experience but two organisations I visit a lot in my work have used a similar sign to indicate a “third space” for people who don’t want to use single sex toilets, reducing availability for people who do need adapted facilities.

I think it’s designed to pander to GC people by moving trans or gender fluid people into the disabled toilets.

I'm a disabled person, in a wheelchair.

I'd say it DOESN'T lack respect for people who need a disabled toilet - it's respecting people with ALL needs which can't always be seen.

You're reading something in nothing. Specially as someone who describes themselves as able bodied - it really isn't your issue, either.

Whatever it is, is confusing. Looks to me like an all in one, male female disabled bathroom. The kind you see when there’s only one bathroom on site.
all that’s missing is the baby.

I guess if they're making all the toilets like this it's fine.

Oh is it a single room then? I thought it was multiple use cubicles

Yeah it means bigger queues for people with disabilities who might need those facilities for access and speed due to their protected characteristic.

Do you mean if they're making all the toilets wheelchair accessible? That seems unlikely because they'd have fewer toilets in total.

Also getting rid of single sex toilets is regression unless there is no communal area and all rooms contain appropriate bins and are genuinely individual rooms with proper walls and sinks, isolated from one another (as a private toilet/ bathroom at home is).

I personally like that accessible loos and services aren't always labelled with a person in a wheelchair.

It's a single room. The only room that is designed to be accessible. This is a building for hundreds of staff, every floor used to have a gents - urinals and cubicals, ladies - cubicals, and a disabled loo. Now the ladies and gents are all gender neutral and the disabled is inclusive (everyone).

I appreciate as an able bodied woman it "isn't my issue", but when has turning your cheek when you see a perceived wrong against another person/group of people you don't 'belong to' been a positive route for society?

As a disabled person with a non visible disability I welcome this sign , as it reinforces the 'not every disabled person has a wheelchair ' message.

I have a medical condition requiring me to urinate more frequently/ urgently but no one can tell from looking at me that I have a disability.

I always feel slightly fraudulent using the disabled as it's not obvious.

It depends whether it reduces capacity doesn't it? If there was only one disabled toilet then making it available to everyone reduces it's availability to those who can only access this one toilet, not the cubicle toilets.

The "it's not your issue" shutdown is dangerous IMO - not for wheelchair users without communication issues but for people whose profound disabilities mean they need others to advocate for them and bother about things which might not directly be their personal problem.

mruller that's just it. One accessible loo. Now zero that are specifically for people who need them