I am so fed up of a lack of food in shops.

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This has been going on for a few years but is only getting worse. I had to go to 3 supermarkets before I found some eggs. No lettuce at all, a few packs of salad tomatoes available in one supermarket, loads of empty spaces in the fruit and veg section, and in ASDA even the freezers had loads of empty spaces.

Before anyone says yes I know we will not starve, there is enough actual food. But a visit to a supermarket now is a lottery about what will be available and what is missing. And more and more I am having to visit multiple shops to get absolute basics.

Still banging on that old chestnut. It happened, we have to move on not live in the past.

As long as the Tories said it, they'd probably think it was a good thing.🙄 Flag shagging morons.

We can't move on from Brexit. It's dragging our country down and will continue to do so until we reverse it.

Probably @TooBigForMyBoots

I know people who have applied for a passport or kept up their driving licence in order to be able to vote for the Tories who are the very people who took their vote away from them unless they had an approved form of photo ID.

Move on @pasta4metonight? Brexshit needs to get done first. Then the country needs to be fixed.

It made the UK poorer. It continues to make the UK poorer.

@BulldogSpirit possibly I am a bit. Not really my nature though.

My much loved step mum in the UK, foams at the mouth if Macron is mentioned. Yet insists on bringing him up. And her BF and her adore Boris. The British press is a bit weird about the French. Whereas there not much about the UK in the French press.

Honestly none of it has much impact on my life but i think the UK should lay the blame for the current and future state of UK affairs at their own door and stop blaming others for their choices.

There’s still anger there - which is evident in some of the posts below going strong on insults as per.

But with all this and change of feeling no major party is going for those votes.

No political party is going after which votes @MarshaBradyo?

Brexit did exacerbate it, even if it didn’t cause. There were shortages and places like Morocco preferred the ease of the single market rather than the bureaucracy of the UK. We’ve also lost a lot of EU workers. We were told things would ease and perhaps they have (though there are still a lot of empty shelves). Just because it’s better in some areas it doesn’t mean that Brexit wasn’t a factor.

Huge areas of glasshouse production are being replaced with housing estates and UK horticulture shows production area and volume in decline year on year.

Fruit and vegetable shortages will simply increasingly become a fact-of-life in years to come.

To be fair, an expansion of glasshouse production was supposed to compensate for inevitable Brexit food shortages in things like tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers etc,

A new giant one was set up in Kent expressly for that purpose.

But due to the level that the government has set the UK's energy prices, the growers were unable to use them because the British consumer will not pay what that costs.

And why should we? We never had to pre-Brexit.

Neither major party is including SM or CU in manifesto. Labour have stated it, I suppose Cons haven’t but I doubt they will as Brexit was their idea.

I just heard an interesting interview with John Caudwell who is a major Brexiteer who now is talking to Labour not just Tories. Labour would love his support I’m sure so not doing SM wouldn’t work for him.

Plus both parties chasing Brexit voters

Are there any manifestos out yet @MarshaBradyo? The next election might not be until January 2025.

Labour have already stated their position on CM and SM.

Not many picked up on it I only did as I listen to Times radio fair bit.

They were categorical and I doubt they’ll flip on something that major. It’s on their site as a press release somewhere if you google.

CU..

A lot can change in two years @MarshaBradyo but the thing is that Keir Starmer doesn't have to chase the votes of people who understand our country's situation. Most of us know we have to vote Labour next time.

Something can be Labour's current position now, but not be in the manifesto in 18 months.

And it's not a commitment until it's in a manifesto.

Only 32% of people think it was right to leave the EU and a third of them only feel that way because they think we should honour the vote.

Only 20% still think Brexit is a good idea so Brexiteerism is not going to be a vote winner at the next election.
The Brexit damage will be even worse by then.

@MarshaBradyo we left/are still leaving the EU. No party can sell going back, be it the SM, CU or EU because it's not in their gift. It would be up to the EU and as none of the other parties are in government, they cannot negotiate a deal atm.

We’ll see. There was hardly any undue pressure to make a categorical statement on SM and CU at that time and yet they did.

I think they made a mistake to release such a statement but I can see they really do not want to lose after 13 years and some decisions are sub optimal in order to get votes.

Whether Starmer is as untrue to a statement made as you make out… I doubt he’ll do a big u turn on this

‘Setting out Britain’s relationship with Europe under a Labour government, Starmer will say: “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union.” He will add: “We will not return to freedom of movement’

Situations change @MarshaBradyo, and when they do it's only rational to change position.

The electoral popularity of Brexit is only going in one direction. Down.

Situations do change which is why I thought it a mistake to be so categorical two to three years prior to an election.

They don’t want to lose Brexit voters. Also why the Take Back Control line was rehashed recently. Amusing and a bit silly and no landing but for whatever reason Labour are not mirroring the change in polling people talk about.

The rational for that imo is because they really do not want to chance a loss and Brexit voters still matter to them.

That may be true now @MarshaBradyo, but the 52% is now 32% and shrinking all the time.

Come the next election there won't be many seats that the extremists who still want Brexit no matter how bad it is for Britain will matter in.

Then Labour will have to decide whether they are a party where categorical statements mean very little or not.

Setting out Britain’s relationship with Europe under a Labour government, Starmer will say: “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union.” He will add: “We will not return to freedom of movement

Can’t get much clearer than that.

It's a shame we can't hold the government to account for their categorical statements. The lying, grossly incompetent scumbags.

Some seem to think Labour will just u turn on it.

But I doubt it.