I am so fed up of a lack of food in shops.

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This has been going on for a few years but is only getting worse. I had to go to 3 supermarkets before I found some eggs. No lettuce at all, a few packs of salad tomatoes available in one supermarket, loads of empty spaces in the fruit and veg section, and in ASDA even the freezers had loads of empty spaces.

Before anyone says yes I know we will not starve, there is enough actual food. But a visit to a supermarket now is a lottery about what will be available and what is missing. And more and more I am having to visit multiple shops to get absolute basics.

An article from 2017:

There is no shortage anywhere but here @MarshaBradyo

Supply is equalised within the EU.

The problem is primarily that we're not in the EU.

Supply is going towards whoever pays more

Why aren’t supermarkets paying the prices?

www.cityam.com/revealed-brits-are-paying-the-highest-electricity-bills-in-the-entire-world/?amp=1

No @MarshaBradyo

Supply is going towards where it is most profitable or where free trade agreements exist.

Primarily to those in the same trade barrier free single market and customs union because that is most profitable.

If not in the EU then supply is also going to where it is most profitable which usually means nearest because transport costs and risk of spoilage over long distance, or stuck in customs queues impacts profit.

The U.K. is not near Morocco or Mexico or South Africa or South America. So we are way back in the queue.

A supplier sells to whoever pays, it’s easy to separate out higher extras and give them the bill for that too. I’ve heard various spokespeople talk about supermarkets here not willing to budge atm with the shortage and higher prices.

Personally limits and lower costs are fine by me. But it’s trade that can’t bulk buy who will be finding it tougher. And U.K. growers who can’t compete. But as I said if you want to subsidise them it’s taxpayer money. Over the massive energy cost already.

We used to be able to buy our way out of trouble before Brexit devalued our currency and trashed our economy.

My local independent corner shops are doing fine however. I suspect their fresh veg is being smuggled in from the EU in a transit via our unchecked borders.

Supermarkets aren’t strapped for cash though

The strange thing is as angry as people are on these threads even the opposition doesn’t care as much about that vote.

I get the venting on here but there must be better ways to convince re rejoining EU if that’s the aim.

Why aren’t supermarkets paying the prices?

For the same reason the farmers aren't planting the crops.

It's uneconomic to do in the U.K. economy.

There's no market for fresh fruit and veg that costs that much.

Literally every word of this.

Why are we so unable to face what we've done to ourselves. We're like fucking babies.

I think most of us know it's Brexit.

We had food stability for decades then... this.

Do you think it has to do with the demographics of the people who want Brexit?

They're our grandparents, our parents, people who maybe left school at 14, maybe didn't have the educational opportunities we've had. People in the lowest socioeconomic groups, people who live in deprived areas..

Maybe it's harder to "punch down" and be firm with people who apparently didn't understand that Brexit would do this?

No eggs in ASDA,Iceland or ALDI today in Bexleyheath area. Only got 6 organic from Tesco Express for £2.90 there were 3 boxes left !

This is not correct.

The hard evidence is that leaving the EU has had remarkably little impact on the UK economy. Among the major advanced economies, the UK has had one of the faster rates of growth of total GDP since June 2016 and sits comfortably in mid table on growth in GDP per head. UK exports to the EU have recovered to long-term trend levels and the City of London has been only mildly impacted.

Since June 2016 and up until the end of the second quarter of 2022, OECD data shows that the cumulative growth rate of real GDP in Italy was 4%, in Germany was 5.5%, in the U.K. was 6.8% and in France was 7.6%.

One immediate consequence of a fall in sterling is that foreign goods, services and assets become more expensive for UK residents. This results in higher levels of inflation and a higher cost of living.
But a weaker currency can be beneficial since it can make exports more competitive by reducing the cost of domestic goods and services to residents of other countries. This can potentially have positive consequences for the country’s trade deficit and aggregate economic growth.

But a weaker currency can be beneficial since it can make exports more competitive by reducing the cost of domestic goods and services to residents of other countries

Yeah for all those amazing things we export from our massive manufacturing base. Britain is always in export deficit.

But a weaker currency can be beneficial since it can make exports more competitive by reducing the cost of domestic goods and services to residents of other countries. This can potentially have positive consequences for the country’s trade deficit and aggregate economic growth.

She's right you know! We just have to start exporting all that stuff we manufacture ... ah.

Hard evidence @Alittlebitofbreadandsomecheese?

Like this?

Patrick Minford said Brexit would end British manufacturing too.

Let's just pause to remember for a moment that the Singapore On Thames plan means no farming, no manufacturing, import everything...

The U.K. is the only country in the G7 whose economy hasn’t returned to pre pandemic levels.

I’m not sure the city of London would agree that they’ve only been mildly impacted. Huge huge sums of money have been moved out into EU finance centres.

Maybe where you live. I've got 2 within a mile of me, 4 within 3 miles. They're not as cheap as Aldi mind.

Saw a photo today of a dirty white van where some wag had scrawled in the dirt "No tomatoes kept in van overnight"

Ha, I saw that on FB earlier, must be doing the rounds 🙂

I have an allotment, and other than that buy from Riverford who have had a glut of brassica root veg etc. They will be donating it to food banks.

Needed tomatoes nothing in supermarkets local farmers shop no problem. Though cost £5 for just under a kilo.

Combination of brexit and the supermarkets and the tory Party.

I did go to another small Sainsburys today and got a head if broccoli and some Pak Choi. I noticed they had eggs too.

Plus at my local Greencrocers I got rhubarb and some blood oranges. I had also noticed they had loads of tomatoes and grapes .

I can't buy much due to lack of storage (sharing a flat). But trying to eat more veg Now way will I eat turnips or Swede.

I was never a Brexiteer but in my naive way I did think we would get more British food in the shops.......duh!

A quick look at Britain’s economic growth since 1945 shows that claims of decline and resurrection, before and after Europe, before and after Thatcher, are not all they seem.
In figures provided the Centre for European Reform (a London-based think tank) Britain’s average GDP growth rate (in real terms) from 1945 to 1973 (outside what was then called the European Common Market) was 2.8 percent.

From 1974 to 2008 (with Britain a full member of the European Economic Community, as it became before its final form as the EU) this fell to 2.3 percent.

From 2009 to 2019, between the financial crisis and Brexit, this dropped further to 1.3 percent.
Britain’s growth rate, in other words, has shown a long-term slowdown irrespective of membership in Europe, much like that of the rest of the West.

When compared with the growth rate of other countries, however, Britain’s performance looks better in Europe than out.

Outside, its economy grew about half as quickly as France’s and Germany’s did. Inside, up until 2016, it grew at roughly the same rate; after Brexit, it slowed slightly.

Which figures are more significant? That depends on what story you’re trying to tell about "in" or "out".

As Winston Churchill said "There are lies, damn lies and statistics".🙂