I am so fed up of a lack of food in shops.

[OutofEverything]

This has been going on for a few years but is only getting worse. I had to go to 3 supermarkets before I found some eggs. No lettuce at all, a few packs of salad tomatoes available in one supermarket, loads of empty spaces in the fruit and veg section, and in ASDA even the freezers had loads of empty spaces.

Before anyone says yes I know we will not starve, there is enough actual food. But a visit to a supermarket now is a lottery about what will be available and what is missing. And more and more I am having to visit multiple shops to get absolute basics.

It’s funny that isn’t it. Presumably that’s because you don’t have a government that’s keen to cut off its nose to spite its face and made that worse by giving a shipping contract to yet another shipping company that has no ships and is a shell company based in Gibralter with not many assets either.

just out of interest, you have tomatoes in shops do you know what the country of origin is?

Yes of course thankfully it's not a dystopia.

It's funny though people don't really know what's going on in neighbouring countries and how it's possible to do things differently

The pack I bought yesterday in Tesco are from Spain.

For example, you mentioned that property is cheaper in France - but it strikes me that French and German people are happy to live in apartments and smaller houses. Friends In the U.K. have bigger homes and more cars

They only need one car. They have functioning public transport unlike us. My city has just had its bus service halved and as for Trans Penine Express, I’ve stopped even trying to use trains to travel round the north. They don’t exist any more.

Just back from the greengrocer. Absolutely everything in stock. I almost bought cherry tomatoes just for the sake of it.

I used to live in an apartment in Switzerland. It was very ordinary for there. It would cost a lot in Britain.
You have to compare like with like. Most apartments in Britain are pretty small and not that well built.

Forgot to say the swiss apartment had a lovely big living room, three bedrooms, a sizeable balcony, air conditioning and an underground car park. It was the kind of apartment anyone ordinary lived in. Anyone with a lot of money had a house. But the apartment was lovely. I would happily live somewhere like that in Britain. But in my City you pay a lot of money for a much more inferior apartment than my bog standard Swiss one.

I went to Aldi today - it was very well stocked, and all the veg was great quality. They even had chocolate hobnob dupes (which are way better than actual hobnobs) that they haven't had for a few weeks.

But they didn't have any bags - there were a few behind the checkout screen, so I could have asked for one.

@OutofEverything I’m not sure what part of Switzerland you’re talking about - I also lived there for several years - and it’s not accurate to suggest that high quality accommodation is affordable in the main cities.

i have many friends in Zurich, Bern, Lucerne, Lausanne- some in Zurich especially struggle to afford even a very small apartment in a decent area despite having good professional jobs. They are always saying that the cost of rentals is cripplingly expensive.

Another very good friend of mine in Geneva is desperate to get a dog but can’t afford an apartment with outside space.

Gleeful or not, it is the reality of what is coming.
To be gleeful in reaction to this reality would be disturbing (I don't think this poster is gleeful), but the economic contraction coming will most definitely be very disturbing.

"Progress" is over. For good. The years when we could all expect our children and grandchildren to have better lives than us are over.

I agree. There are just too many people now competing for a livelihood, clean water, fossil fuel, food, for things to ever go back to the prosperity of the 50s-80s. That was a brief blip in human history.

Combine with climate change and the decimation of the insects/wildlife, and we are pretty screwed. I can't imagine how grim things will be 30-50 years from now. If only people would think beyond their immediate "wants" and stop overpopulating, stop using pesticides, stop guzzling fuel.

Remainers ate them
We didn't have salad in the war

😂😂😂

Remainers ate them🤣🤣🤣🤣

Only Labour voters are experiencing food shortages 🤣

Most the population then 😆

i think everybody needs to think like post war and maybe start growing some of thier own fruit and veg where possible, eat seasonally and probably a little less!

I agree. Where I live we do get some fruit and veg out of season, but at a high prices, otherwise we tend to get seasonal stuff, which is the way it should be. It's a real treat eating in season food when we know that is the only time it's available.

Post war the issue was not fruit and veg, but processed food, sugar and tea. Chocolate, sugar and cakes is something there is never a shortage of.

YANBU @OutofEverything. But it is the "will of the people".🤷‍♀️

You really do have to wonder what sort of people would vote for this shitshow.🤦‍♀️

I remember the days of seasonal fruit and veg and the joy of the first new potatoes and punnets of raspberries and strawberries, then peaches and gooseberries, followed by unctuous pears, and plums then the blackberries and elderberries. We have been spoilt in one way but not in another.

Exactly! Here we are enjoying stone fruits at the moment, but they won't be around for much longer, so we make the most of them while we can. We might be able to get strawberrries/blueberries out of season, but they will cost a fortune (and won't be as nice). When did people become so entitled that they think they can buy whatever they want, whenever they want, at low prices?

The bounty of the past few decades is over and won't be coming back.

Why? If what we are being told is true? There won't always be adverse weather conditions. The war in Ukraine won't last forever (although a poster with family there says they are unaffected in much of the country). There won't be bird flu year round every year. The only thing not going away is brexit and it's not that, so they say.....

The war mentality has to stop. I for one am totally sick of a hankering towards penury, frugality, acceptance, carrying on, not complaining etc. It is the British way I suppose, but that attitude has us where we are.

"Oh dear", many say, but then say it is what it is and we must make do and mend.

Fk that. We are a G7 country in the 21st century. Should be on top of our game notwithstanding wars, droughts and so on. I know of no other G7 country that is falling to bits like Britain is today and it is all our own fault. Too much acceptance, too much reluctance to change (Governments), too much jingoism, too much insularity, too much of a lot of things that hamper an outward looking optimism.

Brexit cemented that.

If you're able-bodied have a look at your local council website for an allotment waiting list. LOTS of councils don't even have a list and you can walk straight onto one and start growing your own food immediately.

Funny - my dad waited 8.5 years for his allotment and even then only got it through an inside source. It was abandoned so needed months of work and the stuff didn't plant and grow 'immediately' once it was at that point. Not to mention the fact he only has the time to put in to it because he's retired. I barely have time to water my cactus as a single parent with 2 busy dc and 2 jobs. Unless an allotment had floodlights so I could tend to it through the night then that's not a solution here!

I'm in a town of less than 100,000 people When I checked the other day there were 1932 people ahead of me on the waiting list for an allotment. On average, about 100 spaces becomes available each year...

People did not need allotments in the war to grow their own veg. They just dug up green space like verges and parks. Think outside the box people!

Three cheers for brexit