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I am so fed up of a lack of food in shops.

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OutofEverything · 23/02/2023 00:51

This has been going on for a few years but is only getting worse. I had to go to 3 supermarkets before I found some eggs. No lettuce at all, a few packs of salad tomatoes available in one supermarket, loads of empty spaces in the fruit and veg section, and in ASDA even the freezers had loads of empty spaces.

Before anyone says yes I know we will not starve, there is enough actual food. But a visit to a supermarket now is a lottery about what will be available and what is missing. And more and more I am having to visit multiple shops to get absolute basics.

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TempsPerdu · 23/02/2023 09:23

Whenever you have these discussions, on here and in other media, there seems to be a large minority of the population that positively hankers after more shortages, restrictions and post-war style rationing. ‘We’ve had it too good for too long; get an allotment and grow your own; eat seasonally and go foraging in the woods; at least you’ve got swedes and carrots’ and so on - it always reads like one of those WW2 propaganda posters.

I don’t know who these people are, but they’re certainly not the ones working two or three minimum wage jobs to pay their rent and heat their homes, or any of the many dual income full-time working families I know who are run ragged trying to keep up with astronomical mortgages and nursery bills while still fostering some kind of functioning relationship with their kids.

We’re very privileged here; most of our fruit and veg comes from the local market (a normal local one, not an artisan farmers’ one), we have plenty of different shops, including farm shops, nearby, DP is a skilled cook and we do eat seasonally as far as possible. We’re all about the sprout tops and kale and purple sprouting broccoli; wouldn’t dream of buying tomatoes or strawberries in winter and so on.

But our lifestyle is quite unusual, and even we don’t have the time or resources to grow our own (other than the odd foray into salad leaves and courgettes in our tiny London north-facing garden in summer) or to scavenge around 5 or 6 different supermarkets to find an approximation of what we want. Most of our friends, who are generally busier than us, do one big online shop or make one trip to the supermarket all week, and if items don’t arrive they just don’t have enough food. They have literally no time or energy to top up, or think outside of the box to adapt recipes. Many of them (including myself) don’t really have the cooking skills either. It just isn’t doable for most people, especially the younger working population.

Oh, and it is definitely Brexit causing this. Other stuff too, but largely that. We’ve travelled widely in Europe for years (I lived in Spain and Germany for a bit) and the food and veg offer there has always been better quality and more abundant than here. But now the gap is far starker, and where there are genuine shortages countries are clearly supplying themselves and their EU neighbours first, while we in the U.K. get whatever is left over. And I don’t think admonishing people for wanting tomatoes in February and entreating them to get an allotment (has anyone actually seen the current waiting lists for allotments?) is really going to solve the massive issues that this country now faces.

sydneysunset · 23/02/2023 09:25

For all those mentioning Brexit - here's a direct comparison of salad cucumbers currently available online from similar (mid-market) supermarkets in the UK, France, Germany and Switzerland respectively:

UK - 75p (UK Minimum wage £10.42)
www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-cucumber-whole

Germany 1.89 euros (£1.66) - Minimum wage €12 (£10.58)
shop.rewe.de/p/salatgurke/483303

France - 2.39 euros (£2.11) - Minimum wage €11.27 (£9.94)
www.intermarche.com/produit/concombre/3250393160974

Switzerland 1.70 CHF (£1.50) - Minimum wage CHF24 (£21.00)
www.migros.ch/en/product/271580313200

Look how cheap the UK cucumber is - less than half the price of other countries. People's expectations here are completely unreasonable.

beguilingeyes · 23/02/2023 09:26

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 08:26

It’s not just the odd complaint though is it. It is a coordinated effort to constantly undermine the country.

Oh FFS, the only people who are undermining the country are Johnson and his band of Brexiteer nutters who have destroyed the economy for personal gain and are currently in the process of breaking the Good Friday Agreement.
It's not the people who haven't been in power for 13 years who have caused this by not believing enough.

Evergreenlevelbest1 · 23/02/2023 09:27

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:10

Oh that’s okay then!!! The bodies mount in just one half - great - I am sure that makes all the difference Confused

@Blessedwithsunshine very inappropriate tone given the topic

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/02/2023 09:28

But now the gap is far starker, and where there are genuine shortages countries are clearly supplying themselves and their EU neighbours first
Yes, this - it's common sense that produce coming from the EU will supply the EU countries first before supplying elsewhere.

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:31

Evergreenlevelbest1 · 23/02/2023 09:27

@Blessedwithsunshine very inappropriate tone given the topic

You clearly didn’t read the post - it’s repellent that people on here are whinging about tomatoes as innocent people die in Ukraine.

Its utterly repellent

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:32

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/02/2023 09:28

But now the gap is far starker, and where there are genuine shortages countries are clearly supplying themselves and their EU neighbours first
Yes, this - it's common sense that produce coming from the EU will supply the EU countries first before supplying elsewhere.

Or it might just be geography as an actual Spanish grower pointed out to you!

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:33

beguilingeyes · 23/02/2023 09:26

Oh FFS, the only people who are undermining the country are Johnson and his band of Brexiteer nutters who have destroyed the economy for personal gain and are currently in the process of breaking the Good Friday Agreement.
It's not the people who haven't been in power for 13 years who have caused this by not believing enough.

News flash - Johnson isn’t even PM anymore!

Floppyelf · 23/02/2023 09:33

Its definitely mainly driven by brexit. Lots of EU countries which the mainstream news have parroted gov propaganda as having a shortage isn’t.

MrsMariaReynolds · 23/02/2023 09:34

Hope you voted Remain... 🤔

silverbubbles · 23/02/2023 09:34

Totally agree with you. I mainly shop online but I went to a big Sainsburys yesterday and it reminded me how every time i go instore shelves look empty. Yesterday the veg section was very empty looking

sydneysunset · 23/02/2023 09:37

Its definitely mainly driven by brexit. Lots of EU countries which the mainstream news have parroted gov propaganda as having a shortage isn’t

Did you see my post? If you were willing to pay £2 for a cucumber (or £2 for a head of broccoli ) like people in France or Germany, trust me, there wouldn't be any shortages. Wake up.

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:37

I wonder why these terrible terrible shortages only seem to happen to Labour voters

kirinm · 23/02/2023 09:38

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:37

I wonder why these terrible terrible shortages only seem to happen to Labour voters

So are all the shops rationing vegetables Labour voters?

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:38

sydneysunset · 23/02/2023 09:37

Its definitely mainly driven by brexit. Lots of EU countries which the mainstream news have parroted gov propaganda as having a shortage isn’t

Did you see my post? If you were willing to pay £2 for a cucumber (or £2 for a head of broccoli ) like people in France or Germany, trust me, there wouldn't be any shortages. Wake up.

They don’t want to hear the truth - only that they are living in a dystopian tomato free hell. Don’t even attempt to reason with it.

Willow12345 · 23/02/2023 09:40

Brexit reality sadly 😩

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:40

kirinm · 23/02/2023 09:38

So are all the shops rationing vegetables Labour voters?

The only ones moaning and tantruming - yes. The rest of us have accepted the painful news that we can now only eat three cucumbers a day.

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:40

Willow12345 · 23/02/2023 09:40

Brexit reality sadly 😩

Of course that old record!!

Cyclingmummy1 · 23/02/2023 09:41

No shortages here - there were so many packs of tomatoes in Waitrose on Tuesday, they were selling them off.

sydneysunset · 23/02/2023 09:42

Brexit reality sadly

@Willow12345

So, if cherry tomatoes were to double in price, to the same amount charged in French and German supermarkets - but supplies were guaranteed - would you be happy? Or would you continue to blame Brexit?

Bloopsie · 23/02/2023 09:42

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:10

Oh that’s okay then!!! The bodies mount in just one half - great - I am sure that makes all the difference Confused

So do in Palestine, Syria and many other countria- what this has to do with price of tomato in the UK?

JackieDaws · 23/02/2023 09:43

Are the tomatoes in the room with us now?

Clavinova · 23/02/2023 09:45

TempsPerdu
(I lived in Spain and Germany for a bit)

German men have the lowest vegetable consumption in Europe apparently -according to a recent scientific report.

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 23/02/2023 09:45

Maybe people need to support British farmers then, they've long been neglected.

Blessedwithsunshine · 23/02/2023 09:46

Bloopsie · 23/02/2023 09:42

So do in Palestine, Syria and many other countria- what this has to do with price of tomato in the UK?

Ummmm are you serious?

It might the very small issue of Russian energy - heard of that?

And you can’t even begin to compare the loss of life in Ukraine to Palestine - that is actually deeply offensive.

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