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To think it is time to extend Sunday opening hours?

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Sundayopeningplease · 19/02/2023 09:32

It really is time for the restrictive Sunday trading hours to be lifted. The archaic laws have not kept up with modern society.

Sunday may traditionally have been a family day but there have been a lot of changes since then. People are in increasingly different family set ups. The working hours have changed for a lot of people and being able to shop on a Sunday morning would improve things greatly. It would help trade for businesses too.

Sunday is now a major shopping day and the hours need to reflect this.

OP posts:
Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 22:17

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 21:57

I just don’t get why you think everyone’s life mirrors yours. What about someone who is coming off night shift and wants to get their shopping in before getting some sleep. Their routine means the like to get a few things done before they go to sleep. They won’t wake till later in the day when the shops are shut again. Or someone who’s child has activities Sunday afternoons. Or who have other commitments or expectations that day.

my son has sports on a Sunday. Some days we may not get home from that until 1pm. Then shower and some lunch. Might be 2 o’clock then. I believe some shops close at 4. I don’t drive. My window to get my shopping in is narrowing. The limited times are limiting anything else I can do that day.

are their other times I can go to the shops? Are there other days I can go to the supermarket for the big grocery shop? Not usually, no.

Newsflash - Sunday is not the only day of the week. Online shopping exists for this. You can even help the environment by selecting a green delivery slot for free or a reduced price. being able to rock up to the supermarket when it is most convenient for you is a privilege not a right. None of the examples given by you or anyone else can only be completed on a Sunday. There are adequate shopping hours over week/ alternative options.

MichaelFabricantWig · 19/02/2023 22:17

YANBU

English Sunday opening hours are rubbish. There’s nothing special about a Sunday nowadays in this secular society. Shops should be open the same as they are on all other days. As for the shop Staff argument, plenty of people have to work a Sunday, also it suits many people to do so.

GreenistheGrass · 19/02/2023 22:18

Spectre8 · 19/02/2023 22:14

But you have 6hrs on Sunday whats the problem its not open early enough? , just do other things you need to do?

I do my shopping just fine on a Sunday.

My post is aimed at the posters wanting to ban shops from opening on Sundays at all, saying anyone who shops on a Sunday is an entitled monster cruelly dragging poor retail workers away from their families (yet these same posters happily go to restaurants or the cinema on a Sunday!) and saying the only reason anyone can't do their shopping Mon-Sat is disorganisation.

MichaelFabricantWig · 19/02/2023 22:20

megletthesecond · 19/02/2023 09:39

Yabu. I'd have them closed again. We need to slow down for 24hrs.

Why?

Itcouldhappenabishop · 19/02/2023 22:21

Bloody hell who are all these people who have ample time Mon-Sat?? I'm a single parent working full time. Kids have swimming/play dates etc on Saturdays. Dog needs to be walked. Oh and I should probably do some laundry and cleaning! And yes I'm up at frigging cock crow on a Sunday (cf: kids and dog). I'd bloody love to get the shopping done at 9am. Might actually get to sit on my arse on Sunday afternoon.
And don't tell me to order online, there are always way too many substitutes so I have to go back to the shop anyway.

Twoscotcheggsandajarofmarmite · 19/02/2023 22:23

I’m in Ireland and I’ve just worked an eleven hour shift in a supermarket, we opened from 9.00am until 8.00pm. Most of my staff were students, if they couldn’t pick up a long shift on Sunday, at time and a half, they would struggle to support themselves through uni. I only roster the bare minimum of other staff so most of them work one in three or four.

We don’t have zero hour contracts, we have guaranteed bands for all the staff, starting at 15-20. Everyone is happy to work Sundays at the enhanced rate and it’s busy all day. UK trading laws seem very archaic.

MichaelFabricantWig · 19/02/2023 22:24

WeCome1 · 19/02/2023 09:34

They already are in Scotland ☺️

Exactly. Seems to be just fine up here, I’m not aware that society here is away to hell in a handcart any more than England due to having longer Sunday trading hours.

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 22:26

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 22:17

Newsflash - Sunday is not the only day of the week. Online shopping exists for this. You can even help the environment by selecting a green delivery slot for free or a reduced price. being able to rock up to the supermarket when it is most convenient for you is a privilege not a right. None of the examples given by you or anyone else can only be completed on a Sunday. There are adequate shopping hours over week/ alternative options.

Online shopping is a privilege to many!!

InPraiseOfBacchus · 19/02/2023 22:26

I agree they should be open properly (and I worked shitty retail jobs all through my twenties).

It's not just about entitlement or "poor planning". A great many people are extremely busy and time poor, and work non-traditional hours. A "convenience" to some might be crucial to others.

Not everyone has the same cookie cutter life of "quiet family day" on Sundays.

DelphiniumBlue123 · 19/02/2023 22:36

eighteenthirteen1 · 19/02/2023 09:35

Opening at 11 really annoys me. I have two children under 5, so I've been up 5 hours before the shops are open!

Shop another morning?

Hawkins003 · 19/02/2023 22:39

From an economic perspective then yes, from a moralistic perspective, it should be kept as it is

tobee · 19/02/2023 22:44

All these people talking about having slow Sundays and it's good for people not to overspend; people just talking in cliches. It's a load of bollocks.

Proper opening hours in the 21st century please!

Plus the agree/disagree percentages are down to this sort of thread only attracting people who get their jollys from saying how much better they are then everyone else.

Sad, small minded people. People saying "buying a cheap chicken". Can you even hear yourselves? Would it be ok if I wanted to buy artisan chicken?

tobee · 19/02/2023 22:45

What's morals got to do with it? Honestly it's a ridiculous sentiment.

Hawkins003 · 19/02/2023 22:46

tobee · 19/02/2023 22:45

What's morals got to do with it? Honestly it's a ridiculous sentiment.

People with families for family time, that's what I was thinking of

Blinky21 · 19/02/2023 22:47

Definitely, shops closing at 4 is ridiculous, those that want a quiet Sunday can stay at home

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 22:48

Hawkins003 · 19/02/2023 22:39

From an economic perspective then yes, from a moralistic perspective, it should be kept as it is

Indeed!!

To think it is time to extend Sunday opening hours?
melj1213 · 19/02/2023 22:51

Twoscotcheggsandajarofmarmite · 19/02/2023 22:23

I’m in Ireland and I’ve just worked an eleven hour shift in a supermarket, we opened from 9.00am until 8.00pm. Most of my staff were students, if they couldn’t pick up a long shift on Sunday, at time and a half, they would struggle to support themselves through uni. I only roster the bare minimum of other staff so most of them work one in three or four.

We don’t have zero hour contracts, we have guaranteed bands for all the staff, starting at 15-20. Everyone is happy to work Sundays at the enhanced rate and it’s busy all day. UK trading laws seem very archaic.

We used to have people volunteering to do Sunday shifts back when we got a premium (double time) to do so. It made a difference for people who could get a boost by doing overtime on a Sunday over a Saturday as they got the same money on a 6hr shift as doing a 12hr one which made it worth missing out on time with family now and again, especially as you still got to see family in the morning before work and get home in time to put kids to bed.

Now they have taken that benefit away and nobody wants to work Sunday shifts, the only ones who work them are the older staff members who do the shorter 6 hr shifts on a Sunday because it means they don't have to work on Saturday (everyone has to work one weekend day) where they can be scheduled for much longer shifts.

The only other people who regularly work Sundays are the students and temps on zero hour contracts who essentially get scheduled whatever hours they're needed and if they don't accept the shifts then they just don't get scheduled again. Some actively choose to do the shifts but most don't

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 22:52

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 22:26

Online shopping is a privilege to many!!

That's what the other 7 days a week are for.

Justanotherlurker · 19/02/2023 22:55

As I have said on another thread, anyone against increasing hours in a faux concern for shop workers should have internet access cut off completely on a sunday, there is no moralistic reason against this when you still want hospitality to be open, sunday night takeaways, supermarkets/shops to be fully stocked on a monday morning and essential services still to run.

MN is usually all for the extreme edge cases of how x impacts certain demographics, until it comes down to sunday opening hours, whats ironic is sunday night/monday is prime time for most online retailers with thursday being the general trend, those ordering on sunday don't think about the wharehouse pickers or deliver drivers making sure next day delivery as it is one step removed.

The opposition to opening up sunday trading is somewhat driven by the anti consumerist crowd not wanting it to be visible whilst they happily shop online, one step removed means it can be hidden.

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 22:56

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 22:52

That's what the other 7 days a week are for.

Have you read peoples posts where this was discussed??

(Though I’d probably agree to Sunday closing if I had an 8 day week! 😊)

tobee · 19/02/2023 23:06

I think people who talking about family time, quiet Sundays etc are thinking of a 1950s paradise that probably didn't exist even then.

As I said before when Parliament debated Sunday opening, the 6 hours was the first amendment that came up. The vote went through and so it's pretty arbitrary amount of time.

GreenistheGrass · 19/02/2023 23:14

This could be sorted really easily if we had decent workers' rights, an end to zero hour contracts, an end to worker exploitation, and affordable housing.

I'm willing to bet the wealthy SAHMs and people doing cushy WFH jobs with tons of free time being sanctimonious about "how dare you deny poor retail workers their precious Sunday roasts with their children" would rather throw themselves into the sea than lobby for leftie causes like workers' rights.

Twoscotcheggsandajarofmarmite · 19/02/2023 23:22

@melj1213 I used to work in a supermarket in the uk and I couldn’t get over how much better the working conditions are here. Irish unions are so much stronger, never having had to face Thatcher and her cronies. There are no zero hour contracts where I work, not even students. Staff are paid time and a half for early mornings/ late evenings/Sundays and they are paid a living wage. I worked this Sunday, but I’ll get a long weekend off next week to make up for it. I do that maybe once a month.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 23:24

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 22:56

Have you read peoples posts where this was discussed??

(Though I’d probably agree to Sunday closing if I had an 8 day week! 😊)

I have, I still think the trading hours we have on a Sunday are enough. I haven't heard anything that would make me change my position on that. I am sure at some point someone will do a poll of Sunday workers. It will be interesting to see what they would choose for themselves.

hay5689 · 19/02/2023 23:25

Thank you for this thread tonight, it's cheered up a bunch of retail staff on shift until gone midnight.

The same people who want us open longer are the ones who shop on Boxing Day despite buying enough food to survive an apocalypse on Christmas Eve.

Sure we'll open but I can guarantee within a few weeks MN will be full of threads moaning about price increases because they'll have to cover the cost somehow.

Right now a Sunday late shift is lovely to work because we don't have customers and get 3 times the work done because we are not dodging children who've been allowed to run riot or people who decide to block a whole aisle so they can have a conversation. We are not kicking back with a margarita, we are working so please don't take the few hours a week we get with no customers away from us.