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To think it is time to extend Sunday opening hours?

635 replies

Sundayopeningplease · 19/02/2023 09:32

It really is time for the restrictive Sunday trading hours to be lifted. The archaic laws have not kept up with modern society.

Sunday may traditionally have been a family day but there have been a lot of changes since then. People are in increasingly different family set ups. The working hours have changed for a lot of people and being able to shop on a Sunday morning would improve things greatly. It would help trade for businesses too.

Sunday is now a major shopping day and the hours need to reflect this.

OP posts:
Miajk · 19/02/2023 19:52

mickeysmug · 19/02/2023 19:29

No. It’s what happens when you live rurally. A Sunday is often our shopping day.

But why can't Saturday be a shopping day? Or any other day - morning, lunchtime or evening?

Starlightstarbright1 · 19/02/2023 19:53

It a no from me … I work in retail. I don’t think we would sell more with longer hours - more staff , costs - lighting etc..

because of a activity my D’s does on Saturday I get to sleep in till 8 one day a week. Otherwise I would get a lie in once a fortnight..

other point about child care for many years I was excluded from retail due to been a Lp ..

finally we get no additional pay for working Sundays

elevenplusdilemma · 19/02/2023 19:57

uhOhOP · 19/02/2023 09:39

No!

My mummy talks about when shops closed early on Wednesday. I want that to come back, not more opportunity for shopping.

They still do in my town. None (besides the supermarket) open beyond 3 but most are closed by 1pm. It's a busy little market town too - but dead on Wednesday afternoons!

For the OP - YABU. I would actually support Sunday closures. Retail staff get a guaranteed day off with their family and the rest of us would benefit from enforced leisure / relaxation time too.

IndiaDreamer · 19/02/2023 19:58

Starlightstarbright1 · 19/02/2023 19:53

It a no from me … I work in retail. I don’t think we would sell more with longer hours - more staff , costs - lighting etc..

because of a activity my D’s does on Saturday I get to sleep in till 8 one day a week. Otherwise I would get a lie in once a fortnight..

other point about child care for many years I was excluded from retail due to been a Lp ..

finally we get no additional pay for working Sundays

Oh course major retailers wouldn't benefit from longer opening hours, that's why they don't campaign for it.

They don't want op to be wandering around on her own at 7pm on a Sunday!

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 19:59

IndiaDreamer · 19/02/2023 19:47

@Flounder2022 I'm responding to the post on AIBU, imagine that!

So you consider the OPs position unreasonable. I consider your picking apart of her circumstances unreasonable.

Yes I have children. There are people with children who choose to work weekends as it supports them with childcare. Plus they have that time during the week with their DC. Not everyone situations are the same as yours.

As I said previously changes would require negotiation and consultation. And possibly legislation around working hours etc.

Do you do things on Sunday, outside of your home, with your family?

Needmorelego · 19/02/2023 20:08

@elevenplusdilemma not every retail worker has a family that they need a "guaranteed day off" for.

Powerflowers · 19/02/2023 20:10

I disagree, if the shops were shut all Sunday we’d get better at getting organised on the other 6 days of the week.

polkadotpixie · 19/02/2023 20:13

YANBU, I'd love the shops to open all day like Mon-Sat. I work part time in retail alongside my main job and I wouldn't mind at all

Noseylittlemoo · 19/02/2023 20:33

I work in retail (not a supermarket) and I'm glad there is one day in the week that doesn't have super early or super late shifts. As PPs have mentioned there are people in hours before the shop opens - processing deliveries, cleaning, preparing reports , putting cash into the registers etc. And after the shop has Closed - tidying , cashing up...
Sunday is the day we always have our Christmas party as all the staff are finished work by 6.30pm and no one has started before 8am.
And I don't know where all these ppl who would love to work on Sundays are - whenever anyone wants to request a day off it's nearly always a weekend for a family occasion/wedding/ sport event....
If you want a full shift you can get it - I always work 9-6 when I work Sundays

SadMadGlad · 19/02/2023 20:48

I'm not originally not from the Uk and was genuinely shocked when I discovered banks were closed on Saturdays, libraries weren't opened every weekday and most things closed or short hours on Sundays. Because I always worked awful hours on weekdays I only have the weekends to get stuff done. I have since adapted but a bit of a change would be nice.

IndiaDreamer · 19/02/2023 20:50

@Flounder2022 yep every Sunday I do.

SemperIdem · 19/02/2023 20:54

Swiftswatch · 19/02/2023 09:41

You realise plenty of people actually want to work on a weekend, not least for childcare issues.

What makes you think that people don’t work in supermarkets after they have closed earlier on Sunday?

I can assure you that they do, major shop resets, stock counts etc are done.

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 20:58

IndiaDreamer · 19/02/2023 20:50

@Flounder2022 yep every Sunday I do.

So it's ok for you to do things you like on a Sunday but the audacity of someone needing to do their grocery shopping or wanting to do some clothes shopping

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 21:30

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 20:58

So it's ok for you to do things you like on a Sunday but the audacity of someone needing to do their grocery shopping or wanting to do some clothes shopping

All things that can be done during the other 6 days of the week/24 hours on line shopping. As another poster stated its had to believe that people can only do their shopping before 11am on Sunday or after 5pm. Just because we could doesn't mean we should.

RobertaFirmino · 19/02/2023 21:34

Powerflowers · 19/02/2023 20:10

I disagree, if the shops were shut all Sunday we’d get better at getting organised on the other 6 days of the week.

Tell that to observant Jews!

Valuesarekey · 19/02/2023 21:43

I live rurally and I love that shops and cafes close on a Sunday. Some close for the whole of January. Some only open three or four days a week. I love that they are putting work life balance above greed.

There is so much more to life than shopping.

If I had my way of go back to fully closed on a Sunday so people get to spend quality time together. So many families do tag team parenting and don’t get much time all together.

Questioningtoday · 19/02/2023 21:47

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 21:30

All things that can be done during the other 6 days of the week/24 hours on line shopping. As another poster stated its had to believe that people can only do their shopping before 11am on Sunday or after 5pm. Just because we could doesn't mean we should.

You can do everything you like to do on a Sunday on the other 6 days too. Just because you can go to the play centre or the pub or the cinema on a Sunday doesn’t mean you should.

Needmorelego · 19/02/2023 21:50

@Valuesarekey you say there's "more to life than shopping". I assume you walk around naked, never eat, use soap or cleaning products?
I generally don't go shopping for the fun of it. I go because I need food or clothes.
It's a big giant chore to me.

Flounder2022 · 19/02/2023 21:57

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 21:30

All things that can be done during the other 6 days of the week/24 hours on line shopping. As another poster stated its had to believe that people can only do their shopping before 11am on Sunday or after 5pm. Just because we could doesn't mean we should.

I just don’t get why you think everyone’s life mirrors yours. What about someone who is coming off night shift and wants to get their shopping in before getting some sleep. Their routine means the like to get a few things done before they go to sleep. They won’t wake till later in the day when the shops are shut again. Or someone who’s child has activities Sunday afternoons. Or who have other commitments or expectations that day.

my son has sports on a Sunday. Some days we may not get home from that until 1pm. Then shower and some lunch. Might be 2 o’clock then. I believe some shops close at 4. I don’t drive. My window to get my shopping in is narrowing. The limited times are limiting anything else I can do that day.

are their other times I can go to the shops? Are there other days I can go to the supermarket for the big grocery shop? Not usually, no.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 19/02/2023 22:00

Questioningtoday · 19/02/2023 21:47

You can do everything you like to do on a Sunday on the other 6 days too. Just because you can go to the play centre or the pub or the cinema on a Sunday doesn’t mean you should.

Completely different sectors and expectations for working hours. Supermarkets and other retailers such as electrical stores, clothing retailer etc also offer a 24 online along side their 7 days a week offering. There are a couple of exceptions but largely they do. It doesn't need to be any longer.

piesforever · 19/02/2023 22:03

Yeah cos we are not Christians and we have limited time to shop due to work!

GreenistheGrass · 19/02/2023 22:12

The posters talking about how people in the good old days coped just fine with limited shopping hours - a huge reason for that is that in the past, jobs were much more secure, housing was much more easily available and much cheaper, and people didn't need to juggle multiple jobs to survive. It was also the norm for mothers to stay home, since the wage/housing cost disparity was so low that it was possible for many families to live on just the man's salary. That's all changed since then. Housing and cost of living costs have quadrupled but income hasn't risen accordingly. Even middle class couples with well-paid jobs need two salaries to survive now, while working class people often have to juggle multiple zero hours jobs just to pay the rent. The older generation got free university and free healthcare, now you can't try to better yourself without a ton of student debt, and lots of medical stuff just isn't available on the NHS anymore.

The idea of a job for life is almost mythological to my generation, we're in a huge cost of living crisis, there's no housing, and rent is insanely expensive. I'm sure middle class Mumsnetters who bought their houses in 1996 have no idea of this, but if you're juggling three zero hours contract jobs, how exactly are you supposed to trot off to the grocers' at 11am on a Tuesday?

Same with France. The reason they have shorter shopping hours is because French people get far more time off and workers' rights are taken very seriously in France. If you want English people to do their shopping at 11am on a Tuesday then you need to lobby for better workers' rights and affordable housing.

How can you not be physically able to get shopping in the other 6 days a week? Genuinely?

I work until 11pm Mon-Sat. I work a day job until 5pm then I work an evening shift. And no, I can't go shopping before work because I'm disabled and need to get a bus to the supermarket. I'm simply not physically healthy enough to be able to wake up early (after not getting home until midnight), take a bus to the supermarket, go round the supermarket, take the bus home, unpack, then take the bus back into town to catch the train to work, then work an extremely long day on top of that. Maybe once in a while but not every single week.

We should force people to work all kinds of hours to benefit the few entitled, unorganized people who can't function without ultimate convenience?

Yes people who work long hours in minimum wage zero hours jobs are famous for being extremely entitled.

If you can't manage to get what you need in the 6 days shops are open all day long, you probably don't need it that urgently!

Yep I'll just learn how to photosynthesise, food's not essential at all! Good to know that the millions of people who do their weekly food shop on a Sunday because they work full time are just being entitled, disorganised, and clearly don't actually need to feed their kids.

Spectre8 · 19/02/2023 22:14

GreenistheGrass · 19/02/2023 22:12

The posters talking about how people in the good old days coped just fine with limited shopping hours - a huge reason for that is that in the past, jobs were much more secure, housing was much more easily available and much cheaper, and people didn't need to juggle multiple jobs to survive. It was also the norm for mothers to stay home, since the wage/housing cost disparity was so low that it was possible for many families to live on just the man's salary. That's all changed since then. Housing and cost of living costs have quadrupled but income hasn't risen accordingly. Even middle class couples with well-paid jobs need two salaries to survive now, while working class people often have to juggle multiple zero hours jobs just to pay the rent. The older generation got free university and free healthcare, now you can't try to better yourself without a ton of student debt, and lots of medical stuff just isn't available on the NHS anymore.

The idea of a job for life is almost mythological to my generation, we're in a huge cost of living crisis, there's no housing, and rent is insanely expensive. I'm sure middle class Mumsnetters who bought their houses in 1996 have no idea of this, but if you're juggling three zero hours contract jobs, how exactly are you supposed to trot off to the grocers' at 11am on a Tuesday?

Same with France. The reason they have shorter shopping hours is because French people get far more time off and workers' rights are taken very seriously in France. If you want English people to do their shopping at 11am on a Tuesday then you need to lobby for better workers' rights and affordable housing.

How can you not be physically able to get shopping in the other 6 days a week? Genuinely?

I work until 11pm Mon-Sat. I work a day job until 5pm then I work an evening shift. And no, I can't go shopping before work because I'm disabled and need to get a bus to the supermarket. I'm simply not physically healthy enough to be able to wake up early (after not getting home until midnight), take a bus to the supermarket, go round the supermarket, take the bus home, unpack, then take the bus back into town to catch the train to work, then work an extremely long day on top of that. Maybe once in a while but not every single week.

We should force people to work all kinds of hours to benefit the few entitled, unorganized people who can't function without ultimate convenience?

Yes people who work long hours in minimum wage zero hours jobs are famous for being extremely entitled.

If you can't manage to get what you need in the 6 days shops are open all day long, you probably don't need it that urgently!

Yep I'll just learn how to photosynthesise, food's not essential at all! Good to know that the millions of people who do their weekly food shop on a Sunday because they work full time are just being entitled, disorganised, and clearly don't actually need to feed their kids.

But you have 6hrs on Sunday whats the problem its not open early enough? , just do other things you need to do?

tobee · 19/02/2023 22:14

Jeez this threads like an open invitation to all the Mumsnet scolds; telling us what to do and what's good for us. What would these mumsnetters do without telling us how crap we all are?Hmm

As long as people get proper pay and conditions shops should be open on Sundays properly. The only reason they open for the restricted hours that they are is because it was what got voted on first in parliament.

SgtBilko · 19/02/2023 22:15

Agree, OP. Local supermarkets open at 12 here, which is a complete pain if you need something for a lunch or if you are going somewhere. It's not always possible to go on a Saturday.