To say the government is right to impose minimum service levels on nurses

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So today the nursing unions have announced they will be withdrawing from A&Es, intensive care units, chemotherapy and other key services. Now, I am not a conservative voter by any means and I do think nurses should get a fair pay rise (although I don’t think 10% is affordable).

However, I don’t think it is acceptable for unions to be putting lives at risk by refusing to provide life-saving care. The armed forces and prison officers are not allowed to strike- I would now support minimum service levels being extended to nurses to prevent the unions doing this.

I suspect I am not the only one and the unions need to be careful not to shoot themselves in the foot.

Conscription of whom? Already qualified nurses (watch droves of qualified nurses give up their PIN) or are you proposing that new conscripts are trained up? It’s not really a solution if the goal is safe, effective staffing of nursing roles is the aim is it?

Forcing people to work in a role and disregarding their free will is a nice comfy step into fascism. The tories would love it but I don’t think even they’re prepared to nail the colours to the mast quite so blatantly.

I'm a Nurse. Lives are at risk every day. Part of the reason for striking and asking for a pay rise is to attract people into nursing and to stop them leaving the profession. We are also patients. Our friends and family are patients. I fear becoming ill as I know the wards are unsafe due to staffing. Hospital trusts should publish the amount spent on Bank nurses which is phenomenal. This money would be saved if wards etc were properly staffed.

Honestly if you voted Tory and disagree with the pay rise and improved conditions nurses want then I’m afraid to say it’s actual you causing needless deaths.

look around - people aren’t striking for the fun of it.

This is such an important point
Nurses ( and all HCP) are also patients.
Agency and bank staff spending is such that a significant pay hike can certainly be afforded for all NHS staff to make up for the last decade. While the MPs awarded themselves high pay rises and public sector got FA

I really think the unions and individual nurses would do well to consider the repercussions of refusing to provide life-saving care. The Daily Mail and the like will not be slow to publicise any sad deaths that occur while nurses are outside demanding 19% pay rises.

I would not be surprised to see individual nurses called out.

Come back when our esteemed government stops putting lives at risk by enforcing particular economic models known to result in insufficient resources for many. And thereby putting lives at risk. Government policies kill people every day. Why should any ordinary working person be forced to work for effectively nothing to provide health care for the great and wonderful you?

I probably shouldn't dignify your post with a response.

Have you ever watched a child die in intensive care? Do you know how hard the nurses, doctors and a variety of other staff work in such a situation?

Well luckily we don’t all read the Daily Fail for facts.

How on Earth can an individual nurse be called out? The daily mail would have no idea where that nurse works, if she works on a ward where someone has died/if the reason for a death is staffing? Any nurse “named and shamed” in such a manner/accused of being responsible for a death would surely have the right to Sue?

And would in any case either be unavailable to work as a nurse due to being in prison or struck off, or if found innocent unavailable through either losing all self-confidence or through telling you to fuck off when you called again.

Just more bollocks from OP @OntarioBagnet - ignore. There’s having an opinion and then there’s spreading nonsense.

Fucking hell, that's some barrel scrape.

The Daily Mail and yourself would do well to stop frothing.

Reads a bit like Sackss wants individual nurses named.

Of course the Government carry zero responsibility for this situation. Barclay hasn't met Cullen at all in the last month. I'm sure he's working very hard on our behalf just not on negotiating.

@Stackss You really need to know when to stop. Which is before now.

You may possibly have had an argument previously; but you've been challenged. And your response has been nasty, embarrassing, ill- informed, personal, rabid, and thus, illegitimate.

For your own dignity, please step down, now.

In the words of Elsa, 'Let it go'.

The government has wilfully underfunded the NHS and allowed it to almost fall over this winter. But you’re happy about that?

Are you happy about hospitals being propped up because this government won’t give them the money?

Are you happy about them underpaying staff so they don’t have enough recruits?

Are you happy about hospitals having leaking sewage because this government hasn’t funded them properly?

Given that the likes of you don’t listen to nurses until they strike, what else can they do but strike? And even then, you don’t listen properly.

such ignorance.

^This

Your total and utter ignorance of the whole NHS situation knows no depths to sink to. Would expect nothing more from a Daily Fail reader.
I have worked in the NHS over 30 years and believe me this is crisis point. This cannot get any worse than it is.
Up to the government now. If you want to blame anyone start and finish with them.

Surely though, if the Govt wish to take the moral high ground and stop all this harm to patients you claim there is, they would talk to the nurses about pay?

The RCN has said that if the Govt will just talk about pay, not a new offer etc, they will call of the strikes.... but the Govt will not do that....

so who is really to blame for the current strikes?

there will be no /crap nurses if they don’t pay them appropriately. And the nhs is basically run by nurses. They deserve every penny, especially after covid. To say there is ‘no money’ but still fund hs2 or trident is ludicrous.
i fully support the nurses striking in any way they chose. It’s inappropriate for a worker in any sector to be held to ransom by the government and not be able to withdraw their labour IMO

Threads like this make me think you should have to sit an IQ test before you can create an account.

Threads like this make me thinkg you should have tist an IQ test before you can work for a political party.

Any figure is startling on the demand requirement

Google something like hip and knee replacement and that alone increases dramatically in next decades

It’s then replicated with age related and other issues

We’re going to find things even more difficult.

Appreciate the summary btw