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Jobs without salaries....

72 replies

SisterAct123 · 15/02/2023 11:26

What's the crack?

OP posts:
SantanaBinLorry · 15/02/2023 11:28

erm?
Hourly rate, paid for each hour you work.

emmathedilemma · 15/02/2023 11:29

or volunteering work or do you mean job adverts that don't state the salary??

kissthegirlshesnotbehindthedoor · 15/02/2023 11:30

*craic

WeCome1 · 15/02/2023 11:31

Do you mean ‘competitive salary’?

Annoying as hell. I’d try and steer clear.

Viviennemary · 15/02/2023 11:31

What are you talking about.

Eleganz · 15/02/2023 11:33

WeCome1 · 15/02/2023 11:31

Do you mean ‘competitive salary’?

Annoying as hell. I’d try and steer clear.

It just means "as little as we can get away with paying you"

Hesma · 15/02/2023 11:35

YABU … stupid post

Itspoonotpoop · 15/02/2023 11:36

Do you mean internships? Or job adverts without salary stated?

Both are a load of bollocks.

There's been an increase in volunteering placements being advertised on job boards like LinkedIn and Indeed.

Another trend on the up is advertising a role and then it turns out to be NMW (or slightly above!) and freelance! Moose Toys in Cornwall do this and it's very very sly.

Dotcheck · 15/02/2023 11:36

Well now, I’m curious

PriamFarrl · 15/02/2023 11:37

What do you mean?

Unpaid posts?
Jobs that are advertised without a salary?
0 hours contracts?
Jobs with a hourly rate?

Chuffaluffa · 15/02/2023 11:37

It’s generally not as dramatic as being a shit salary, and worth a conversation with the recruiter. There will be complexities that prevent the company disclosing the salary, generally immoral but favouring new starters- eg the candidate market has changed and so new starters earn more than current employees, so they can’t advertise salaries as they’d have an internal war. That’s with a big company where increasing internal salaries would perhaps be prohibitive.

It can also be a way of avoiding disclosing salaries to competitors. Worth asking the salary range before you write it off.

Starlight86 · 15/02/2023 11:46

I think any job advert that doesn't disclose a salary is rude as fuck.

I think it shows they don't value your time and in most cases they know their pay is shit compared to the market place.

99% of people apply for a job based on the salary, people have bills, outgoings and families so they have a minimum salary they need to have.

I post jobs and recruit for our business, i would never dream of not putting on a salary, i value peoples time and effort and worth therefor wouldn't waste it by interviewing someone that's expectations are maybe more than we can offer .

Its arrogance on the employers part.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 15/02/2023 11:49

If I'm contacted by someone (usually via LinkedIn) and they don't state the salary I ask. If they then fob me off without a clear answer, I don't go any further.

I work for money. Exclusively.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 15/02/2023 11:49

WeCome1 · 15/02/2023 11:31

Do you mean ‘competitive salary’?

Annoying as hell. I’d try and steer clear.

Totally- code for no idea what we’re doing as a company but we’re cheap

Lcb123 · 15/02/2023 11:50

If you mean job adverts without salary - I hate it. Just means the employer (usually) doesn’t want other staff knowing the salaries for roles in the company. Therefore likely have salary disparities

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 15/02/2023 11:54

It's generally because there's a banding from £xx - £xx that the company have in mind but they would be happy to pay less if they find someone they think they would accept it and willing to pay more if they find someone who demands it and is an excellent candidate.

Putting 'competitive' gives them room to manoeuvre.

It's also why they ask for your salary expectation. Because if they have in mind somewhere are £30k and you say you want at least £25k then they can short change you and save budget, if you say you want £45k then they either have to find more money or make a quick decision to not progress your application.

KatherineJaneway · 15/02/2023 12:00

Competitive salary = we're going to try and pay you as little as possible

Seasonofthewitch83 · 15/02/2023 12:56

HR recruitment here.

We do not list salary, for the reason that sometimes we may find a candidate who perhaps does not fit all the criteria and is not worth the salary we have budgeted, but we like them and can adapt the job description and responsibilities.

The same way we do not want to deter a fantastic candidate who may be above and beyond what we need and we would pay more in the role for.

That said, if anyone ever contacts me, I will always give them the salary range we are looking at.

Starlight86 · 15/02/2023 13:01

Seasonofthewitch83 · 15/02/2023 12:56

HR recruitment here.

We do not list salary, for the reason that sometimes we may find a candidate who perhaps does not fit all the criteria and is not worth the salary we have budgeted, but we like them and can adapt the job description and responsibilities.

The same way we do not want to deter a fantastic candidate who may be above and beyond what we need and we would pay more in the role for.

That said, if anyone ever contacts me, I will always give them the salary range we are looking at.

How would you feel if a candidate sent a blank CV with " willing to discuss at interview"

vodkaredbullgirl · 15/02/2023 13:03

🤔

Sparklesocks · 15/02/2023 13:06

At my work we put salaries on all our ads, it just means candidates know exactly what they’re applying for and doesn’t waste their time if there are expectations are significantly higher. It also provides transparency for junior/candidates early in their career rather than expecting them to come up with a figure and potentially lowballing them because they aren’t experienced in negotiating salaries yet.

Sparklesocks · 15/02/2023 13:06

I also find it cheeky when the ads won’t list salaries but ask candidates their own expectations!

seekingafreshstart · 15/02/2023 13:08

In my line of work, the biggest employers don't advertise salary, which is bloody annoying. So it's hard to tell if the lack of salary details means it's really good or really bad.

And they wonder why everyone goes through an agent. It's because no one is transparent with how much cash is on offer otherwise, so direct is often not an option.

Bubblebubblebah · 15/02/2023 13:11

Of course it will be full of "what daya mean"

Jobs without show salary range on ads are annoying and as pp said "paying as little as they get away with". I used to not bother applying anymore for these after few revealed the "grand" lol salaries. There are very few where it's normal, most are just hiding the shame

TeresaCrowd · 15/02/2023 13:14

Starlight86 · 15/02/2023 13:01

How would you feel if a candidate sent a blank CV with " willing to discuss at interview"

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Bloody love this idea! Be interesting if the companies would find it equally as frustrating as job hunters find their adds...