Jobs without salaries....

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What's the crack?

A lot of companies will offer candidates what they think they are worth. However, often sub-consciously, white men are seeing as being worth more than others. This is reflected in gender and ethnicity pay gaps in most companies.

As a black woman I see this as a red flag that I am likely to be underpaid as being transparent about salary bands is one of the most basic things a company can do to improve parity between different groups of people.

Also, imagine how a company would react if a candidate said "I will tell you about my skills and experience once I have had a job offer". Not advertising the salary is kind of the same thing in reverse.

This made me chuckle. Competitive salaries are often just minimum wage or a kick in the arse off of it.

Strong verbal communication skills
Excellent time management skills with a proven ability to meet deadlines.
Ability to meet the physical demands of the position including, but not limited to, working outdoors in all weather conditions, standing, walking, and moving for periods of greater than eight (8) hours, and lifting and carrying items sometimes greater than fifty (50) pounds.
Ability to work a flexible schedule, including evenings, weekends, and holidays.

All for £9.60 an hour where I am.

They're about as vague and irritating as this post

It's awful isn't it. It doesn't always mean a low salary. Try to speak to the recruiter and ask for their budget for the role. There are campaigns against this practice, and it has become illegal in some states in America. Hopefully the UK takes action to move past this practice.

Years ago I went to three interviews for an estate agents. They kept fobbing me off when I asked about salary then on the third interview the area manager said salaries aren't told to staff until they start their first day there!

How fucking arrogant and cheeky!

I was offered the job, declined it, then he called me and when I told him why I'd declined he was miraculously able to tell me the salary. It was minimum wage.

I love it!

Another line is "great rates of pay" which implies exactly this, 10 pence (or even 20) over the NMW £9.50

Do you mean on LinkedIn when sooo few jobs state the salary, this drives me mad, I’m not even job hunting atm but it would make it so hard to narrow things down. I mean, is it £25k? £40k? £90k???

I understand the logic that a recruiter doesn't want to state a salary because it could be read by internal staff as well as competitors and because they want to pay as little as possible. But it just wastes peoples time. I'm freelance, and the amount of jobs that get posted where someone wants some content - usually an "experienced copywriter with 3 years + experience" but wants to pay a rate that works out less than minimum wage is insane.

I think society would be much better off overall, if people were more open about salaries and earnings. If you knew roughly how much people above you were earning (similar to the NHS banding system), you'd know how close you are to increasing your own earnings and what you're trying to work towards. You would be able to prevent pay gaps from emerging, both in terms of gender, age and race.

The gender pay gap for example will only ever close when people start understanding how prevalent it actually is.

I deleted LinkedIn. It was unbelievably toxic in my industry (digital marketing). One post said if you aren't up at 5am then you aren't successful...

Although someone did reply with "just checked you out on Companies House and you aren't successful either. Have a lie in tomorrow" 😂

I love it. it's nice not seeing all the Snapchat work selfies.

Definitely love the blank CV idea.

@Itspoonotpoop OMG The same. I'm in the same sector (more content marketing though) and I remember seeing EXACTLY the same post. Its genuinely why I get really nervous posting on LinkedIn, there's always some arsehole who wants to feel like a big man

@thebellagio haha no way! I often think about that post. 😂 I was always too nervous to post anything.

I have been struggling with the freelancing side of things recently as there's an uptick on Indeed for NMW or £10 PH freelance work. Sometimes it's advertised as permanent role and they don't tell you until last minute.

I had an interview with a business in November and they sent through the job spec afterwards and at the very very bottom was "must be freelance" in tiny letters.

I was shortlisted for one last week and at the very bottom of the their invitation to interview email it said "must be freelance"

It's so naughty. Especially when the role is NMW or thereabouts.

Have discovered time and time again that if a salary isn't stated in an ad, they're looking to pay as little as possible, definitely not on par with skills and experience, and always under market rate. Ditto when it says competitive salary. And more often than not, when a salary band is featured, they're looking to recruit at the lower end.

I would bin it.

If you want to ask the salary, you can call or email. You would be told its dependant one experience, and the general salary range we are looking at.

Your/the companies arrogance is astounding.

You are deluded to think a company would entertain someone sending a blank CV to try and be a smart arse about no salary being listed on a job advertisement.

They know that women will almost invariably ask for less money than men. It keeps their options open for paying as little as they can get away with.

@Itspoonotpoop what pisses me off these days is so many employers claim they want a freelancer but they want you to work in their office 3 days a week and they want to stipulate your experience and qualifications.

No. That's a part time employee you're looking for.

Working with a freelancer isn't about having an employee without having to pay for national insurance/holiday/sick pay.

@thebellagio Yes! That's exactly what Moose Toys in Cornwall stipulated!

I think they've removed the job advert now.

No i of course dont think they would.....but the fact your doing exactly the same as what ive said and think its perfectly acceptable is whats arrogance.

Bit vague in the OP but I'll take it and run with it....

Job adverts without a listed salary - avoid like the plague. "Competitive salary" means fuck all and if they don't tell me how much the starting salary is, I'm not going to waste my time with what's usually an extensive and complex application process only to find out the salary is less than I'm currently on.

Jobs with no salary (0 hour contracts) - good and bad depending on the role. I was a 0 hour contract waitress at the age of 16-19 and it worked perfectly for me as it fit around my studies and I could request more or less weekly shifts, but my earnings varied massively on a weekly basis and the hours were not guaranteed. Shit for most people who have a mortgage/rent/bills/debts to pay on time unless the job and hours are secure.

I feel happiest in a salaried job. I know my hours, know my pay, it doesn't change and there are no unpleasant surprises. If I was going to apply for a different job, I wouldn't bother applying unless they state the salary. If it's as "competitive" as they say it is, stating the salary would only bring more/higher skilled applicants so I usually assume that if a salary isn't stated, it's because it's on the lower end of the scale that can be expected in that role.

What annoys me is that we seemingly aren’t allowed to admit that we go to work for the money. The single reason many people walk through the door each morning is for the money. On winning the lottery most people would leave without looking back. So why do employers insist on making it seem like you working for them is some personal life goal?

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.....what's the crack?

THIS!! I feel this way when people talk about workers wanting a payrise/the strikers being "greedy", workers being "lazy" for leaving on time and not working for free for the good of the company - the whole reason people go to work is to earn money. That's literally it. I love my job, but I wouldn't be there if I wasn't being paid as I love spending time with my family even more. The whole reason I turn up and do the work is for money, no one in a "vocation" wants to work for free. If my job decided not to increase my wages for several years, or I was continuously getting a real-term pay cut, I'd complain because the work I was doing was no longer benefiting me in the same way it was when I started.

Commission only?
Hourly rate?
Volunteer role?
Or do you mean when they don't advertise the salary, which I actually think should be illegal. Don't waste people's fucking time. I work for money, nothing else!

Job adverts with no salary are very common in my industry and they drive me nuts!! Along with everyone else i know its an incredibly irritating practice. Fine if the employer wants to keep a degree of flexibility but surely you can narrow it down to a band £-£ or a minimum £. I have, in the past seen a job I like and emailed to ask salary.....4 days later reply comes back and its rubbish or its OK but I've lost 4 days. Also means I cant use £ as a filter when searching, and obvs £ is the most useful filter as it's the only reason we go to work.