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15 minute cities and the conspirators

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ivykaty44 · 13/02/2023 18:08

15 minute cities being organised to mean that you don't have to rely on a car to get to everything and can easily walk to many places therefore only have to use the car for longer journeys

the conspiracy theories im seeing on social media are suggesting its a world wide control formula and we will be fined for moving from one district to another.

www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2023/02/08/15-minute-city-conspiracy-theories-insane-says-15-minute-city-creator/?sh=121378916156

I'm wondering if the car manufactures are behind the conspiracy, as they would have a lot to lose if people live in places where they don't need a car and can just ave one family car or hire a car. Billions of sales could be lost if this takes off.

Some cities have gone car free - theculturetrip.com/europe/spain/articles/the-car-free-spanish-city/ and found after much objection, that it works well - especially for the elderly

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Buzzinwithbez · 14/02/2023 20:10

greenbackers · 14/02/2023 20:00

But the rural commute is fine if you drive. It is adding the extra 20-30 minutes (minimum) to walk or cycle a child to school and go on to work that it becomes unmanageable.

We would be getting jobs within our towns and villages, not commuting to do the work we've studied or trained to do and are experienced in..

Buzzinwithbez · 14/02/2023 20:10

*should

ExistenceOptional · 14/02/2023 20:19

Ah! So like eastenders where everyone works in the square? So its the garage, cafe, laundrette or pub then.

pansiesinmygarden · 14/02/2023 20:22

There was a thread recently on Oxford and 15 minute city planning. Most people were fuming!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 20:24

Buzzinwithbez · 14/02/2023 20:10

We would be getting jobs within our towns and villages, not commuting to do the work we've studied or trained to do and are experienced in..

No thanks. I like to broaden my horizons beyond my locality - and the companies locally don't pay the salary commensurate with my experience.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:28

The plan is to incrementally close down rural life and house everyone on the planet in smart cities, completely cut off from rural land (which will be the vast majority of land on earth) and control every aspect of our lives and civilisation. The rural areas will be off-limits to humans and will be 'rewilded', which means returned to nature. The exception to these conditions are for the elites only, who will enjoy the world as one big playground...without us.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 20:33

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:28

The plan is to incrementally close down rural life and house everyone on the planet in smart cities, completely cut off from rural land (which will be the vast majority of land on earth) and control every aspect of our lives and civilisation. The rural areas will be off-limits to humans and will be 'rewilded', which means returned to nature. The exception to these conditions are for the elites only, who will enjoy the world as one big playground...without us.

Where are these smart cities going to be built? and how are people going to be moved into them? and what's going to happen to the existing cities?

This is the sort of shite that was being peddled on Twitter during lockdown. It was balls then and it's balls now.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:42

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 20:33

Where are these smart cities going to be built? and how are people going to be moved into them? and what's going to happen to the existing cities?

This is the sort of shite that was being peddled on Twitter during lockdown. It was balls then and it's balls now.

Do you mind not insulting me while asking me to provide you with information?

TheNoonBell · 14/02/2023 20:47

The problem is not the 15 minute city theory, what is really annoying people is the way that is being imposed whether or not the locals want it.

This dictatorial style is increasingly the way our governing classes operate and it will see increased push back from those affected.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:48

The rewilding agenda has very little to do with nature and everything to do with controlling the global population, with the aim of reducing it significantly. It's part of the United Nations Agenda 2030 'Sustainable Development Goals'.

Almost all countries around the world have signed up to Agenda 2030 and the project is not hidden. It's very much out in the open and is being implemented on a local, regional, national and global level. Every decision the local councils make has to be made with Agenda 2030 in mind. No-one voted for Agenda 2030 but that is what we have whether we like it or not. As it's claimed to be for the benefit of nature and the environment and to ultimately save us from climate change, it's managed to bypass democracy and even King Charles hopes championing the 'Great Reset' will not be classed as meddling with politics.

The 'Great Reset' is a term coined by the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab being the Chairman. Klaus Schwab wants us to own nothing but promises that we will be happy. Look up 'You will own nothing and be happy'. Klaus also wants to put a microchip our brains. Just look up 'Klaus Schwab microchip brain'. Yuval Harari, also of the WEF, wants to 'hack the human brain'. Sadly, King Charles is a founding member of the World Economic Forum and quite pally with these evil-doers.

Back to the rewilding project. They claim it's to protect nature and increase biodiversity but it's really a ploy to remove people from the land and ban us from it. At the same time, they want to erase all signs of human occupation and land management. We are to be incrementally removed from rural areas and herded into cities, which will gradually be morphed into smart cities. Rural villages and towns will see their services removed: banks, cashpoints, fuel stations, doctors, buses, etc., and driving will become for the very wealthy only.

To help them convert land once used by people into protected wilderness, they will reintroduce predators, such as beers, lynx, wolves, etc. They will also claim rare plant/insect/bird species have returned and, therefore, the land cannot be plowed, grazed on, walked on, etc. Farmers who make the foolhardy decision to take government subsidies to rewild their land will find it impossible to revert back to farming. The handouts are only temporary and not a long-term income, so these farmers will find themselves the owners of useless scrubland. My guess is they will be made bankrupt and the state will take the land.

To speed things up, billionaires are buying up vast swathes of land all over the world. Bill Gates is now the largest farm land owner in the US. His plan? Rewilding. Anders Polvson, the Danish Billionaire of ASOS, is now the largest landowner in Scotland. His plan? Rewilding and reintroducing predators. His other plan is to open luxury retreats for the mega wealthy. We will be banned from the countryside but they will not. This is what it's about: removing poor people from the world, herding us into open prisons and allowing the elites to enjoy their global playground without us. Prince Philip said he wanted to return from death as a virus so he could solve the problem of overpopulation. They aren't just concerned about overpopulation in poor countries but in all countries and if you're not a billionaire or well connected to the 1% of the 1% then you are 'poor'.

Still believe in climate change, global warming, global cooling or climate breakdown or whatever they call it nowadays?

DogInATent · 14/02/2023 20:51

They walk/type among us...

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 20:54

DogInATent · 14/02/2023 20:51

They walk/type among us...

Indeed. Was just disappointed not to see any mention of the planned merger of Christianity and Islam into the One World Religion. And how all electricity is actually freely available from the ether so paying an electricity bill is illegal.

DogInATent · 14/02/2023 21:01

@DappledThings there are some very strange people posting on an awful lot of threads tonight. Maybe the chemtrails been particularly active today?

QuietlyConfident · 14/02/2023 21:03

A slight digression onto population trends, because it's often badly explained.

World population is going to rise and then fall regardless of whatever world governments do. If you educate women, cut infant mortality and make contraception available then the fertility rate drops, probably way below 2 unless you make an active effort to promote parenthood.

The reason why the population is still growing is that the average of five children each woman had in the 1970s mostly didn't die in infancy. Those girls grew up to have three children of their own in the 1990s, almost all of whom survived to be having babies of their own now.

The people who are dying are, on average the people who were born in the 1940s/50s. The people having babies are the people born in the 1990s - and there are a lot more of them.

Even though the global fertility rate is fast approaching the break even point of 2.1, the fact that so many more women are at peak fertility age than are at peak mortality age means that right now we get a lot more births than deaths every year. But this will change rapidly - and the only government implementing policies that would prevent that change are the Taliban.

ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-un?tab=chart&time=1950..latest&country=OWID_WRL

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:03

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 20:54

Indeed. Was just disappointed not to see any mention of the planned merger of Christianity and Islam into the One World Religion. And how all electricity is actually freely available from the ether so paying an electricity bill is illegal.

Nor of Karl Schwab becoming World Ruler - due to have happened last December - that's if you take Vernon Coleman seriously.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:06

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:48

The rewilding agenda has very little to do with nature and everything to do with controlling the global population, with the aim of reducing it significantly. It's part of the United Nations Agenda 2030 'Sustainable Development Goals'.

Almost all countries around the world have signed up to Agenda 2030 and the project is not hidden. It's very much out in the open and is being implemented on a local, regional, national and global level. Every decision the local councils make has to be made with Agenda 2030 in mind. No-one voted for Agenda 2030 but that is what we have whether we like it or not. As it's claimed to be for the benefit of nature and the environment and to ultimately save us from climate change, it's managed to bypass democracy and even King Charles hopes championing the 'Great Reset' will not be classed as meddling with politics.

The 'Great Reset' is a term coined by the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab being the Chairman. Klaus Schwab wants us to own nothing but promises that we will be happy. Look up 'You will own nothing and be happy'. Klaus also wants to put a microchip our brains. Just look up 'Klaus Schwab microchip brain'. Yuval Harari, also of the WEF, wants to 'hack the human brain'. Sadly, King Charles is a founding member of the World Economic Forum and quite pally with these evil-doers.

Back to the rewilding project. They claim it's to protect nature and increase biodiversity but it's really a ploy to remove people from the land and ban us from it. At the same time, they want to erase all signs of human occupation and land management. We are to be incrementally removed from rural areas and herded into cities, which will gradually be morphed into smart cities. Rural villages and towns will see their services removed: banks, cashpoints, fuel stations, doctors, buses, etc., and driving will become for the very wealthy only.

To help them convert land once used by people into protected wilderness, they will reintroduce predators, such as beers, lynx, wolves, etc. They will also claim rare plant/insect/bird species have returned and, therefore, the land cannot be plowed, grazed on, walked on, etc. Farmers who make the foolhardy decision to take government subsidies to rewild their land will find it impossible to revert back to farming. The handouts are only temporary and not a long-term income, so these farmers will find themselves the owners of useless scrubland. My guess is they will be made bankrupt and the state will take the land.

To speed things up, billionaires are buying up vast swathes of land all over the world. Bill Gates is now the largest farm land owner in the US. His plan? Rewilding. Anders Polvson, the Danish Billionaire of ASOS, is now the largest landowner in Scotland. His plan? Rewilding and reintroducing predators. His other plan is to open luxury retreats for the mega wealthy. We will be banned from the countryside but they will not. This is what it's about: removing poor people from the world, herding us into open prisons and allowing the elites to enjoy their global playground without us. Prince Philip said he wanted to return from death as a virus so he could solve the problem of overpopulation. They aren't just concerned about overpopulation in poor countries but in all countries and if you're not a billionaire or well connected to the 1% of the 1% then you are 'poor'.

Still believe in climate change, global warming, global cooling or climate breakdown or whatever they call it nowadays?

You're loony tunes. No explanation of those cities in your screed, I see. Should I 'do my own research' or 'watch a YT video'? 😂

Taswama · 14/02/2023 21:07

Factfulness is a good book about population growth (and a lot of other stuff).

The Life and Death of American Cities by Jane Jacobs is great for what makes a city safe and a pleasant place to live. Mixed use is one of her key principles.

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 21:08

DogInATent · 14/02/2023 21:01

@DappledThings there are some very strange people posting on an awful lot of threads tonight. Maybe the chemtrails been particularly active today?

Maybe. And not enough people know that if you spray vinegar at the chemtrails they disperse so you can protect yourself. In your face Klaus Schwab!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:09

Klaus also wants to put a microchip our brains. Just look up 'Klaus Schwab microchip brain'

He's going to have a job finding some people's brains. Let alone any trace of a critical faculty.

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 21:09

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:03

Nor of Karl Schwab becoming World Ruler - due to have happened last December - that's if you take Vernon Coleman seriously.

Was it that happening first or 70% of those who have had a covid jab dropping down dead? So hard to keep up.

Devoutspoken · 14/02/2023 21:09

Existential - the most expensive and stressful thing on the road is the motor vehicle. Your 50s is a great decade to take up cycling, it'll keep you fit, give you energy and extend your life. What's not to love?

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 21:10

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:06

You're loony tunes. No explanation of those cities in your screed, I see. Should I 'do my own research' or 'watch a YT video'? 😂

Can you not do your own research? There are hundreds of smart cities in the pipeline or being built as we speak, all over the world. Even in India and Africa.

Here is a Chatham House presentation on the projected timeline for this big change to take place, although I believe it will happen a lot faster... www.chathamhouse.org/2021/04/journey-londons-future-shows-better-world

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:12

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 21:09

Was it that happening first or 70% of those who have had a covid jab dropping down dead? So hard to keep up.

Oh the dropping down dead was Michael Yeadon. Apparently those who had the jabs had at most two years of life before they'd be terminally regretting it. I think it was a toss up as to which happened first.

I did wonder why Schwab didn't make a move on world domination the day of HM's funeral. Pretty much every leader in the world in the Abbey and all he had to do was bribe a few vergers to lock the doors. 😂

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/02/2023 21:13

Can you not do your own research?

Terrific, you didn't disappoint. What if I research the wrong thing, though, and it contradicts what you are asserting so confidently?

ExistenceOptional · 14/02/2023 21:14

@Devoutspoken We already have bought a car and driving is not stressful. Anyway as I said far too stressful to try and overcome my fears about cycling on roads. I have not cycled since I was a teenager.