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15 minute cities and the conspirators

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ivykaty44 · 13/02/2023 18:08

15 minute cities being organised to mean that you don't have to rely on a car to get to everything and can easily walk to many places therefore only have to use the car for longer journeys

the conspiracy theories im seeing on social media are suggesting its a world wide control formula and we will be fined for moving from one district to another.

www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2023/02/08/15-minute-city-conspiracy-theories-insane-says-15-minute-city-creator/?sh=121378916156

I'm wondering if the car manufactures are behind the conspiracy, as they would have a lot to lose if people live in places where they don't need a car and can just ave one family car or hire a car. Billions of sales could be lost if this takes off.

Some cities have gone car free - theculturetrip.com/europe/spain/articles/the-car-free-spanish-city/ and found after much objection, that it works well - especially for the elderly

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thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 23:04

Devoutspoken · 14/02/2023 23:03

I think you mean it doesn't benefit you, it benefits many

Get the memo Devout. It won't benefit you either

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:15

thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 22:59

HandyLady even if they don't manage to put it off (as I would assume that most sane people will push back), it's quite disturbing that somebody could have though out such a plan, that many are happy to go along with it and, lastly, that they are so open about it, as if others were dumb

What I don't get is, why do they even want to keep people alive in these buildings, isn't it better for them to just get rid of us all (or most of us)? Why do they need billions?

Oh, and you forgot to mention the cashless society issue. Closely linked to this plan, but people don't want to know

Klaus Schwab getting on a bit...he's just a front. They will have another one lined up already.

Most people know nothing about it because all they know is Love Island, Only Fans and News at Ten. Some people have heard about it but only put effort into claiming it's a conspiracy theory without doing any research. Those people are the worst because they prevent people from speaking out and derail conversations. Some of those people are 77th Brigade...paid by the govt to do this. Some people know about it and do nothing because they feel their efforts would be futile. Some people know about it and like the idea, foolishly thinking it all sounds like a good idea. Then there is a very small minority who know about it, do not like it and do do something about it, either believing they can make a difference or not. The reason why the entertainment industry has mushroomed to become such a dominant aspect of most people's lives is to ensure the majority remains ignorant and never becomes an active opponent of this evil scheme.

I am not sure why they want to keep any of us alive but one possible reason is so they can farm us and utilise our minds in the 'Internet of Things', once we're all hooked up to the metaverse. They like control so they need something to actually control...us. Or, perhaps, it's so they can be entertained by us in a Hunger Games kind if way. Nothing new under the sun...the Romans liked to do this of course. Their promise (on the Georgia Guidestones) was to 'keep' the global population under 500m. That's a 95% reduction on today's population. So they don't want many of us.

The cashless society is coming very soon. The UK government is right now planning the Central Bank Digital Currency...without putting it to a referendum. They're just doing what the WEF/UN tells them to do at Davos.

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 23:19

Their promise (on the Georgia Guidestones) was to 'keep' the global population under 500m. That's a 95% reduction on today's population. So they don't want many of us.
Ah yes, the Georgia Guidestones. A random folly erected by a rich crank with an individual personal belief. But taken by thousands of conspiracy theorists to be some kind of manifesto announced by the mysterious "elite" as their final gameplan.

This is all very silly indeed.

EmmaEmerald · 14/02/2023 23:23

I really wanted to see the Guidestones and liked that figure for population. Of course I have no idea who built them but I echo their sentiment on population. Not the rest of it IIRC.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:33

DappledThings · 14/02/2023 23:19

Their promise (on the Georgia Guidestones) was to 'keep' the global population under 500m. That's a 95% reduction on today's population. So they don't want many of us.
Ah yes, the Georgia Guidestones. A random folly erected by a rich crank with an individual personal belief. But taken by thousands of conspiracy theorists to be some kind of manifesto announced by the mysterious "elite" as their final gameplan.

This is all very silly indeed.

A touch of vigilance is not a silly thing. How do you know these massive monuments were put there by one rich man? How did he organise such a thing and get away with it? How come they stood for so long...decades?! Very timely anyway, don't you agree?

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:35

EmmaEmerald · 14/02/2023 23:23

I really wanted to see the Guidestones and liked that figure for population. Of course I have no idea who built them but I echo their sentiment on population. Not the rest of it IIRC.

You like the idea of global genocide to the tune of 7.3bn people?

Do you have this mindset because you believe you will be one of the ones to live?

thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 23:37

This video on businesses tracking workers' every move and thoughts is particularly disturbing and it's relatively old. And there's many, many more

As some are saying, nothing is being hidden. Shame it only has 1k views whilst some dumb influencer showing how a 'kid reacts to a new pet' gets 40 million

EmmaEmerald · 14/02/2023 23:38

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:35

You like the idea of global genocide to the tune of 7.3bn people?

Do you have this mindset because you believe you will be one of the ones to live?

No, I'm not advocating genocide. You've rushed to judgement a bit there. I DM'd you earlier.

It seems like a good manageable number, that's all. Like a pipe dream.

and no, I don't want to survive any of it, thanks.

Passerillage · 14/02/2023 23:40

I live within 15 mins of all those things, in a small city/large town really.

Granted, the 15 min drive to the big regional hospital on the other side of the city was by a taxi driver at 2am when I was vigorously in labour in the back seat, but I don’t need to go o there often!

Anyway, we have never owned a car because we have literally never needed one. Occasionally we have used zipcar, and we use taxis a couple of times a month (pouring rain + musical instruments + PE kits + fleeting pity for the kids might earn them a taxi treat in the morning!), but otherwise it’s bikes, walking and an occasional bus.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:41

thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 23:37

This video on businesses tracking workers' every move and thoughts is particularly disturbing and it's relatively old. And there's many, many more

As some are saying, nothing is being hidden. Shame it only has 1k views whilst some dumb influencer showing how a 'kid reacts to a new pet' gets 40 million

Yes, it is a shame, but not surprising. They have put it all out in the open but people still don't believe it's real or aren't interested in finding out about. Zombie world!

thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 23:44

The whole thing is so surreal and outlandish that's it's easy to see why many think it's a conspiracy theory

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:47

thehorsehasnowbolted · 14/02/2023 23:44

The whole thing is so surreal and outlandish that's it's easy to see why many think it's a conspiracy theory

Yes, that is true. It changes everything we have ever believed was true and is very disorienting and uncomfortable to really comprehend. I went through that many years ago after being just like most other people: dismissive, mocking, etc. But now it's so in-your-face it's just not sensible to not face it. People will have to face it soon so they may as well start now and be prepared and armed with knowledge.

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:50

Yuval Noah Hurari of the World Economic Forum wants our brains to be hacked so AI can communicate with us and us with AI via thoughts. That should alarm everyone here....at Mumsnet where I presume we are all mothers. Do we really want our children's brains to be hacked?

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 00:13

What he is saying s beyond disturbing.

It's not surprising that he mocks religions, the Bible, and talks about replacing it with a new religion devised in Silicon Valley. Relgion is the last frontier I guess

And people are applauding him and inviting him to speak

LadyVictoriaSponge · 15/02/2023 00:14

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:47

Yes, that is true. It changes everything we have ever believed was true and is very disorienting and uncomfortable to really comprehend. I went through that many years ago after being just like most other people: dismissive, mocking, etc. But now it's so in-your-face it's just not sensible to not face it. People will have to face it soon so they may as well start now and be prepared and armed with knowledge.

You are spot on with your posts, more fool the people who can’t see what is happening in plain sight.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 00:23

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 23:50

Yuval Noah Hurari of the World Economic Forum wants our brains to be hacked so AI can communicate with us and us with AI via thoughts. That should alarm everyone here....at Mumsnet where I presume we are all mothers. Do we really want our children's brains to be hacked?

He's asked what should we do with the surplus of humans, and he says. 'for now,our solution is to keep them happy with drugs and videogames'

Think of how the Metaverse can become very handy for them

thehorsehasnowbolted · 15/02/2023 00:41

Here even MZ starts to mumble, seems unsettled and uncomfortable!

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 02:20

ivykaty44 · 14/02/2023 20:05

The concept is great for new cities, but retrofitting it onto a city without also providing any infrastructure like safely lit and wide bike lanes is ridiculous.

how many cities in the U.K. were built after the invention of the motorcar?

as for wide cycle lanes, they aren’t any wider than a row of parked cars, they seem to fit

Any transition away from car use has to be managed properly. You need to provide the amenities such as shops and public transport. Oxford are doing things arse about face, heavily penalising car journeys without providing a viable alternative - like funding rural bus routes.

ivykaty44 · 15/02/2023 03:33

like funding rural bus routes.

15 minute cities isn’t a rural scheme, if people living rurally want bus routes they need to campaign their local councillors in the area they live, as that’s who represents them

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DemiColon · 15/02/2023 03:58

What this is is just recognizing how cities and communities typically developed before the car. Most people lived quite close to their work, and also services were close. Often, all intermingled. Cities were more like groups of villages. There were different types of housing available in different areas to accommodate the workers needed in those areas.

The change away from that wasn't just caused by cars, it was caused by planning laws. You could equally claim that these were a conspiracy created by car manufacturers, in fact that sounds a lot more plausible.

It would improve a lot of people's lives to be able to get to work in good time, and get to basic services.

Standclearofthedoors · 15/02/2023 04:23

To put the theory that car manufacturers are behind this to bed, I can honestly say (Having worked for more than one car manufacturing company) mostly they couldn’t organise a piss up at a brewery, let alone organise an effective campaign. They’ve failed to lobby for commonalities in charging point equipment, failed to lobby for adequate electric charging infrastructure across this country and have been taken down by a worldwide lack of microchips for production after failing to realise during the pandemic that cancelling microchip orders meant that those manufacturers would find other customers and switch production away from low level chips for cars to higher level ones for other products. Then let’s not forget the own-goal diesel emissions scandals. Car companies are a bit like the RFU and run by old farts. The idea they could galvanise themselves to disrupt world order/progression depending on your viewpoint is fascinating but also somewhat fanciful.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 15/02/2023 06:45

@Buzzinwithbez thats just not going to happen for rural living people though is it? I live rurally, nearest town is 30 minutes away where all the jobs are. I work in community nursing covering a wide rural area (my mileage can easily be 60 miles a day) how can carers or nurses work more locally? And people are always going to need nurses and doctors to visit at home especially with the bigger push for hospital at home

Ginmonkeyagain · 15/02/2023 07:17

No. 15 minute cities is not going to happen for rural people. The clue is in the word city.

However I think there can be changes to encourage back small parades of shops and pubs so people can at least walk to get some groceries and other essentials.

Some of the biggeat barriers to this in rural areas are house prices, the decline of rural industry and aging populations.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 15/02/2023 07:33

@Ginmonkeyagain i know that but the people in charge who make these decisions often have no idea about rural living folk and how we get about, my DC school is not within 15 minutes walking distance so I do need to drop them off before heading to my job in community nursing there is simply no other way currently but when they go to secondary school the bus stops right outside our door.

you are also bang on the money re populations, the area I live and work in has the highest population Of elderly in Scotland, many come to retire thinking the care will be better when that’s not true, the young leave to work or go to uni in the cities because unless you want to work in healthcare or farming there isn’t much else. It is now becoming apparent that there is going to be a massive struggle to care for the elderly population as there simply isn’t the younger people here to do it

Ginmonkeyagain · 15/02/2023 07:37

I grew up rurally so I know. The village I grew up in now has no children living in it, at all. People like me and my brother would have stayed in previous decades left due to lack of work and high house prices. Ironically housing is more affordable here in London for me as I can access well paid work.