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Life is too expensive and not enjoyable.

391 replies

buildingourdreams · 12/02/2023 15:49

I am only 26 years old and I am tired

H and I both earn okay money both work ft and I sometimes do part time work too

We've 2 boys under 7 and After rent bills and food and petrol we have not a penny .
This is with our parents helping with childcare we don't even have to pay childcare for the boys thankfully 🙏

We Can't go on holiday. Can't even have a takeaway or my nails done

We rent and Can't save for a house to buy don't get any benefits other than the basic Cb about £200 month. (And I don't expect or want handouts anyway)

Is this our life now ? Don't tell me to get a better job as I might do as I get older but this is not the point I'm making . If someone works full time they should be able to afford a few treats in life and specially with 2 incomes!

I worry constantly that we are failing our kids and should I even have had them? And also Like, what will even become of people like us when we're old ?

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FatSealSmugSoup · 12/02/2023 17:49

You are NOT ignorant for asking “but what will they actually do?” - in fact, you’re about 20 years ahead of the daft soundbites claiming “all will be utopia/no rich mates”. Don’t ever let anyone call you ignorant because you’re asking questions they can’t answer.

When people KNOW the answer AND understand it, they can break it down for whomever is asking and whatever level.

Tbh in your shoes, I’d be renting a chair and declaring very little…

An1ta · 12/02/2023 18:00

I don't dispute the cost of living nowadays is crippling us all but I'm a bit confused how can u struggle as badly with 2 incomes. I'm a single mother for over a decade, working ft for £11 and with benefits I'm entitled to I get nowhere near 50k a year. Ffs not even a half of that. I can only imagine what I could do with 2 incomes!! All my bills are paid, there's always food at home, occasional takeaway, trips and activities, holiday here and there and get my nails done. Obviously I've no savings but also no debts. I can't afford expensive branded clothing although I save for my DD to get the occasional (Christmas,birthday) branded stuff or trainers. This is not an attack on anyone who is struggling, we all are, times are more tough then ever but surely there are things you and your DH could do to afford little treats and make life more enjoyable.

Nosleepforthismum · 12/02/2023 18:38

Well I’ve just googled 2 salaries on 25k each which amounts to a take home pay of £3,400. Unless you have ridiculous childcare costs, it does sound like a budgeting issue. No one is disputing that the cost of living crisis is making things incredibly hard for people but for two full time salaries and minimal childcare costs really shouldn’t mean that the occasional takeaway can’t be afforded or day out. Do you have a lot of stuff on finance? Cars, sofa etc? Maybe if you let us know what financial commitments you have we can make some suggestions to make your day to day living a bit more enjoyable.

Hydie · 12/02/2023 18:46

If you're both on a decent wage, no childcare to pay, you technically should be able to cope and save and have nice treats along the way. Have you got other things going on? Debts, loans, credit cards to pay? These are some of the things that people don't think of, but they are not your usual monthly bills as such, they are things that are affecting your ability to save now.

Satiredandexhausted · 12/02/2023 18:55

Single mum on just under £90k but in London (disabled so have to live where I do as that is where my support system is & the only way I can work).

I have it better than most but even after bills (rent and childcare take up at least 75%, and energy bills a fair bit as well), there isn't much left. Also have to work no matter how much pain I am in or how tired I am. The feeling of everything being on my shoulders alone is scary sometimes. Also being disabled is expensive due to not being able to take public transport etc.

April energy bill rise is worrying me as my heating is already £300pm and electricity at £240. If I'm worried, people on lower incomes are definitely a lot more stressed. But even my large wage is just about covering bills mainly. Not much left for much else. £90k net income between two people is a little more than when from a single income due to higher tax burden. I'm dreading work tomorrow. I just want to sleep for a w
Good week.

gratefulheart · 12/02/2023 19:03

Nosleepforthismum · 12/02/2023 18:38

Well I’ve just googled 2 salaries on 25k each which amounts to a take home pay of £3,400. Unless you have ridiculous childcare costs, it does sound like a budgeting issue. No one is disputing that the cost of living crisis is making things incredibly hard for people but for two full time salaries and minimal childcare costs really shouldn’t mean that the occasional takeaway can’t be afforded or day out. Do you have a lot of stuff on finance? Cars, sofa etc? Maybe if you let us know what financial commitments you have we can make some suggestions to make your day to day living a bit more enjoyable.

That's nonsense! I'm on 46k and take home 2700

buildingourdreams · 12/02/2023 19:03

FatSealSmugSoup · 12/02/2023 17:49

You are NOT ignorant for asking “but what will they actually do?” - in fact, you’re about 20 years ahead of the daft soundbites claiming “all will be utopia/no rich mates”. Don’t ever let anyone call you ignorant because you’re asking questions they can’t answer.

When people KNOW the answer AND understand it, they can break it down for whomever is asking and whatever level.

Tbh in your shoes, I’d be renting a chair and declaring very little…

Thank you for saying this x

As I feel silly tbh as I feel like I am being ignorant to politics 😔 and some posters have said it too

It's not an excuse but they did not teach us anything about politics at school. I mean I know what people will say - I ought to read about it and educate my self but who has the time with 2 jobs and 2 kids 😂 I won't vote Tory though that's for sure ✔️

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WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:05

The reality is, that the younger people (especially women) have their kids, the harder their lives are financially. This is a generalisation, but as such is generally true…ie for most.

People who don’t have kids until their 30 have time to develop their career and get promotions, not hindered by childcare. This also increases the possibility of buying a house when 2 people are on good full time wages. It’s always been said, that buying after you’ve started your family is harder….often one person is working less or their career has stalled, plus you probably need a family house and not a 1 bed flat.

These are the financial realities of having 2 kids young, and especially if you aren’t especially well qualified with a strong upward job trajectory. Most people without these things, even working full time in moderate jobs, will be finding life isn’t easy. Standards of living are falling, so things like takeaways and having nails done are increasingly luxuries.

I get that you feel that after you’ve worked a full week (and actually OP you’re doing more of a 3.5-4 day week) you should be able to afford a few treats. In fact, you probably still can…..if you look at your spending carefully. It’s just that you need to choose carefully so you have the bits you’d really like and don’t waste money on stuff that’s less important to you.

You might be able to have a monthly takeaway if you can cut down on phone costs or car lease costs or other mo they outgoings. Can you change to sim only phone deals on old handsets? If you’re leasing or PCPing a car, is it the cheapest and smallest car, even if it’s a bit if a squeeze? Sometimes it’s a case of deciding if you want the car with a few extra gadgets or you want the takeaway as you can’t have both.

To be honest, this is likely to be how your life continues unless you’re able to take action to change things and increase your earning potential. And that is possible. It’s harder with small kids but I know people who’ve done it. Otherwise, you are likely to be stuck renting and struggling by.

2 examples I know we’re people who had kids young and one had zero formal qualifications and one only a handful of GCSEs. In their late 20s/early 30s they both worked really hard and one became qualified as a nurse and one as a teacher. It was incredibly hard work, but they were determined to improve their futures. Both got full time jobs and worked hard and got promotions so by the time they were 40, they were in a much stronger position financially. And their kids saw these amazing role models that showed what could be done.

It won’t be easy, but turning things round is possible, if you’re really determined.
Otherwise, you’re not alone in feeling the pinch and finding treats you took for granted or feel should be affordable, just aren’t anymore. For some people it’s not being able to have the heating on, for others, trading down to economy foods, for others having 1 less holiday, for some keeping their car another year, and for some it might be delaying the purchase of a second home. In different ways, everyone’s impacted by it. I guess that if it’s just luxuries we feel we’re missing out on, we should be grateful it’s not needing food banks or only having the heating on one hour per day.

And you have 2 children and a relationship, which most would say is worth more than most material possessions. Lots of wealthy women in their 40s struggle to have a child and in lots of ways would be envious of you….the grass isn’t always greener.

buildingourdreams · 12/02/2023 19:07

Nosleepforthismum · 12/02/2023 18:38

Well I’ve just googled 2 salaries on 25k each which amounts to a take home pay of £3,400. Unless you have ridiculous childcare costs, it does sound like a budgeting issue. No one is disputing that the cost of living crisis is making things incredibly hard for people but for two full time salaries and minimal childcare costs really shouldn’t mean that the occasional takeaway can’t be afforded or day out. Do you have a lot of stuff on finance? Cars, sofa etc? Maybe if you let us know what financial commitments you have we can make some suggestions to make your day to day living a bit more enjoyable.

Because our rent is £1000 a month (and my house is a crap hole)

Because my winter fuel bills have been £500 a month since late November / December because my house is poorly insulated and damp.

Because I spend £100 a week on petrol to get to work and get the boys to school / collect them from their childcare

And that's before food, council tax, internet, car maintenance, car tax, our car insurance,
Kids clothes shoes school stuff etc

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kitcat15 · 12/02/2023 19:18

Ragwort · 12/02/2023 17:08

Two DC at 27 is going to be very tough ... it's not a choice I would recommend to my own adult DC. I waited a long time to have my DC to make sure we were financially secure (& I stuck at one).

Well it’s swings and roundabouts isn’t it….my DD is 28 and has a 7 and 4 yr old….nursery is all done now …..when she gets to 40 they will be off her hands….. and she will be mortgage free at 46 ….she doesup the house as and when they have money….it’s not easy….but her hard financial years of mat leave and nursery fees are done

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:20

2 salaries of £25k equal more take home pay than 1 salary if £50k,because both are getting nearly £13k as the tax free allowance.

I actually think that in most time periods,most people in their mid-20s with 2 kids have found life hard financially. Most won’t have been having many treats.

As a child, we went out for a meal once a year and my Mum had her hair cut twice a year at the cheapest place where she washed it beforehand and blow dried it herself when she got home. They were very careful about use of heating and phone and use of the car. We wore hand me down or home made clothes and my Mum cut coupons out of newspapers to save money. It was totally normal….and that was with my Dad in a reasonable job and my Mum working nearly full time. People didn’t expect much more.

The trouble is now that standards of living did rise, but are now dropping. People in 20fh century didn’t expect weekly takeaways, but it seems in the last 20 years, it’s become something people have expected and feel entitled to as a normal weekly expenditure.

Many people have had a higher standard of living than they could really afford, or that was a real stretch. New cars bought in finance which requires monthly payments, credit card bills, furniture on finance…..all means that people often look like they are doing really well and have all the latest stuff, but actually every penny is accounted for with nothing left over. And when food and energy prices rise, suddenly there’s not enough left and they are tied into those finance deals, and don’t have the savings to buy outright and avoid the treadmillkf never ending monthly payments.

Sorry OP. What you’re experiencing is so common at the moment. And sadly there isn’t an improvement round the corner. This is the standard of living for the forseeable. The treats you mention as regular norms for people your age with 2 kids will be remembered as a short blip, in a broader theme of the times before and now and future where they weren’t possible. We all have to adjust our expectations downwards.

thelinkisdead · 12/02/2023 19:24

kitcat15 · 12/02/2023 19:18

Well it’s swings and roundabouts isn’t it….my DD is 28 and has a 7 and 4 yr old….nursery is all done now …..when she gets to 40 they will be off her hands….. and she will be mortgage free at 46 ….she doesup the house as and when they have money….it’s not easy….but her hard financial years of mat leave and nursery fees are done

I had my first at 27 and my second at 30. I agree with it being swings and roundabouts because I will get longer with my adult children (all being well) than someone who has theirs in their late 30s. Not only that but mine are now old enough for me to be building my career back up - and it is going well. Yes it stalled for a few years - purposely put on ice whilst my husband continued in his - but I’m still young enough to have plenty of years left in me to go where I want with it.

What I’m saying is, there are pros and cons to both scenarios. I also wouldn’t consider a first child at 26/27 wildly young either - although we are compared to a lot of our children’s friends’ parents. My career hasn’t suffered particularly; I think it would be extremely difficult to progress first and then take a step back. My husband’s hasn’t suffered at all (this was a joint decision as his earning potential has always been greater).

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:25

KitCat, yes those who have their kids early, get the early years of childcare done sooner and are ‘free’ by their 40s, but it’s not swings and roundabouts financially.

People who can’t work or can’t progress their careers when young, never catch-up. People who don’t have sufficient income to buy property before having kids are more likely to have to remain renting. Having your child free years in 40s/50s is entirely different financially, to having them in your 20s and early 30s. By the time someone has their first kid in their mid 30s, they are far more likely to be a homeowner and to have a developed career.

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:28

Op will have had her first child at around 20. That would be considered young today by most.
It’s not wrong, of course not. But like most things, it does have financial consequences.

With house prices so high now, there are less and less areas where even the well-paid can afford to buy before 30. Once you’ve got kids in the equation, it becomes even more tricky. And privately renting a family home, unless on a very high salary is always going to be very expensive and make it hard to save.

Hesma · 12/02/2023 19:28

It’s tough for everyone right now but you are not failing your kids. I’m a 70s baby, my parents struggled for money when interest rates hit 17%. Spend time with your DC… play outside, go for walks or geo-caching, kick a football around, jump in puddles. We’ve got used to regular treats as a society but your little ones will be happy to have fun with you and remember the occasional treat as special moments. Aside from that all I can say is count your blessings and I’m sending you a hug 🤗

WuTangGran · 12/02/2023 19:30

Greenfairydust · 12/02/2023 16:17

''I hope this is not an ignorant question but what would the opposite party do to make people like me / us lives better ?''

I despair when I read this after more than a decade of Tory mismanagement.

What would the opposite party do?

How about: fund the NHS correctly, renationalise utilities and the railways, stop demonising people on lower income/benefits and disabled, not try to push laws that restrict our freedom to strike and protest and generally actually lead the country rather than busy themselves with lining their pockets, making their rich mates richer and letting the rest of us struggle. Not to mention look seriously at the Brexit mess and consider another referendum to reverse it.

Exactly.

kitcat15 · 12/02/2023 19:32

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:25

KitCat, yes those who have their kids early, get the early years of childcare done sooner and are ‘free’ by their 40s, but it’s not swings and roundabouts financially.

People who can’t work or can’t progress their careers when young, never catch-up. People who don’t have sufficient income to buy property before having kids are more likely to have to remain renting. Having your child free years in 40s/50s is entirely different financially, to having them in your 20s and early 30s. By the time someone has their first kid in their mid 30s, they are far more likely to be a homeowner and to have a developed career.

I guess it depends where you live….I’m in the NW….most of my DCs friends have a mortgage by their late 20s…..most have their first baby by 30….often a lot younger…..those who don’t own have social housing….it’s not that difficult to get ….land is around £380 for a 2 bed….but I appreciate that not all areas are the same……I personally would have felt too old to have a baby in my mid 30s…..but each to their own

Headabovetheparakeet · 12/02/2023 19:40

You're only 26 and you have two young kids, I think you're being a little naive to think you would be earning enough to have a comfortable life at this stage of life.

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:41

Yes, the costs of housing differ wildly across the country.

I think (and I might be wrong) that the average age to buy property in the UK is now late 30s or possibly early 40s. People simply can’t save up the deposit. Renting a 1 bed place can cost well over £1k per month. Social housing can’t be had for love or money.

Age of having kids also reflects your social circle and education. Many people aren’t out of education until they are 23/24. They want some years developing a career. In many circles, people wouldn’t consider having kids until they are 30. But I know too, that in lots of circles, having kids after 30 might be seen as unusual too. There is a lot of variation.

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:43

When I was 26 I was in my second year of working, living in a shared house with 4 others. We worked hard so we’d get promoted quickly and played hard. We had to pay the rent on our rooms, but the rest was for us as we were all young, free and single. There were lots of treats. But it’s an entirely different life to being a parent of 2 school aged kids.

buildingourdreams · 12/02/2023 19:56

Headabovetheparakeet · 12/02/2023 19:40

You're only 26 and you have two young kids, I think you're being a little naive to think you would be earning enough to have a comfortable life at this stage of life.

I don't expect to be "comfortable"

I just would like not to get ripped off left right and centre and for me and my partner to work our arses off in 3 jobs for absolutely fuck all.

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buildingourdreams · 12/02/2023 19:58

WombatChocolate · 12/02/2023 19:41

Yes, the costs of housing differ wildly across the country.

I think (and I might be wrong) that the average age to buy property in the UK is now late 30s or possibly early 40s. People simply can’t save up the deposit. Renting a 1 bed place can cost well over £1k per month. Social housing can’t be had for love or money.

Age of having kids also reflects your social circle and education. Many people aren’t out of education until they are 23/24. They want some years developing a career. In many circles, people wouldn’t consider having kids until they are 30. But I know too, that in lots of circles, having kids after 30 might be seen as unusual too. There is a lot of variation.

I did A levels but could not afford uni so I did care work for a bit but then trained as a hairdresser and I am doing nails too

Each to their own but I would not want to wait til I'm like 39 to have my first kid I think it's too old personally

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EsmeT · 12/02/2023 19:58

I feel this, it really gets me down.

Headabovetheparakeet · 12/02/2023 19:59

In what ways do you feel you are being ripped off?

Testina · 12/02/2023 20:04

“Each to their own but I would not want to wait til I'm like 39 to have my first kid I think it's too old personally”

There’s a whole range between like 20 and like 39 though 🤷🏻‍♀️

Life is hard for the low waged whenever they have kids, but I think not having much money when you choose to start a family at 20 is just inevitable.

So if you want life to be enjoyable you need to take that enjoyment from having a family, not from having things.

You’ll have some tough years when they’re young, then you can concentrate on improving your financial situation.

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