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Friend's new boyfriend - a red flag?

85 replies

Pigtailsandall · 10/02/2023 21:42

Something so odd happened today that I thought it deserved its own AIBU.

I have a lovely friend of many years. I live in London, she lives up north, so we see each other a few times a year. She's been dating this man for about a year now - it's been a slow start because they were both travelling/working a lot in the start, but the relationship seems to have gained momentum recently.

They are visiting London and staying for a long weekend ,and today was the first time I met him. I took a half a day off work to meet them, and we went straight for lunch. He seemed nice, chatty and quite funny, and he insisted on paying for the whole lunch as I was "an old friend" of his now too. I agreed, slightly reluctantly.

We went for a walk in a nice neighbourhood, and eventually stopped for a coffee at a patisserie. When we walked in he announced I could get anything I liked and he would "treat us". I said, firmly, that I would pay for myself this time but thanks. As we left, I realised he had paid while I was in the loo between ordering and our coffees coming. I though he was trying a bit hard, but then something truly bizarre happened. I was appraising the cakes as we were getting our coats and leaving and he insisted (loudly, people were turning to look) that I take home a few cakes. He said he would buy a few for them too, for breakfast the next day. He kept saying that a particular cake looked really nice, "don't worry, I'll get it for you" and I kept saying no, thank you, I was ok. But he was getting quite loud, it was a small space and eventually I said, Fine, more to get him to shut up so we could leave. I pointed at a small chocolate cake, and he went to the till, got 3 small cake boxes, paid and handed me one.

We then went for a stroll on the high street, looking at shops. My friend wanted to buy a present for her niece, so we went into an absurdly expensive children's clothing store (He paid, of course) and when he saw me picking up and looking at something (I don't even remember what, I was really just waiting for my friend to choose) he was by my side like a flash asking if I wanted it for my DC. I almost dropped the garment. It felt like an uncomfortable afternoon, and I missed not being able to chat to my friend freely - I felt like she was quieter than normal. I made a very specific effort to not touch anything else at subsequent shops.

But now, I'm home after a glass of wine with them (he paid, of course - I was totally worn out and just let him) and I've opened the cake box. Inside is the cake HE noted looked good - not the chocolate cake I chose. I texted a very nonchalant message to my friend, basically asking if maybe our boxes got mixed up, and she texted me back saying "No, XXXX thought that one looked really good and thought you should have it". I know it's only a cake, but what kind of a freak changes someone's order behind their back? Or am I overreacting? I feel like this is a total red flag, right?

OP posts:
DrinkFeckArseBrick · 10/02/2023 22:46

Yeah that would be a massive red flag for me. Thinking that you know better to the extent that you override someones own food preferences is extreme arrogance.

I cant ever imagine a situation where I ask someone what they want to drink for example then irrespective of what they say, I get them a drink of my choice because I think its better. Just rude.

WhereIsMumHiding3 · 11/02/2023 02:24

He sounds overbearing with his insistent generosity, changing your cake order behind your back and being unable to take No for an answer all day.

Yanbu that your spider senses are tingling

(The type of man that makes it all seem lovely when you do what he wants, but what's he like when you don't and he can't change your answer to one that pleases him )

AliceOlive · 11/02/2023 02:51

It would annoy the hell out of me.

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MrsRickAstley · 11/02/2023 03:28

Do you have a photo of the cake ? I'd need to see it before I made comment.

FebName · 11/02/2023 03:28

I almost get the trying to be over generous to impress his girlfriend's friend.

BUT! Changing your cake order. Because he knows best!!

That's off the scale nuts! Who does that? Controlling narcs, that's who. Fucking weirdo.

Poor friend. Is she living with him yet? Would you be able to text him without him reading?

A PP had a good idea, saying lovely day but wasn't strange he decided to change your cake order? Test the waters.

FebName · 11/02/2023 03:29

Test her obviously! Not him! That would be nuts too :)

FebName · 11/02/2023 03:30

Text her!

Weatherwax13 · 11/02/2023 03:36

Paying for the lunch I might’ve thought he was trying to make a good impression. Especially if he knew you were an important friend to his partner.
But your examples as the day wore on. Nah. That's completely overbearing. Almost love bombing.
Did you clock how your friend reacted?

Rewis · 11/02/2023 03:58

Yellow flag he seems like one of those NiceGuys. Hopefully he was just clumsily trying to empress you so you'd like him and he's less pushy normally.

ScattyHattie · 11/02/2023 04:03

Paying for the meals I'd just think overly keen to impress on first meeting but then the shop behaviour is like he wants to prove has wealth and is a good catch.

So he liked how the cake looked but had not been there before to know it actually tasted good? Most people are wary when told to choose by others as they know tastes are very individual so to overule your preference does show a total lack of respect. If he'd given you both cakes then it would be irritating but less of a dick move.

I've always thought it weird in films where the guy orders a meal for the lady and it's portrayed as romantic. I'd worry for friend too as she's clearly enjoying being spoilt and didn't see an issue with the cakes, so may not notice there is controlling undertone till gradually all her choices may default to him. Is she type of person that prefers to hand over decision making responsibility then go with the flow?

givingupchocolatemonday · 11/02/2023 04:09

You sound quite obsessed to be honest

Iwantabloodypizza · 11/02/2023 04:48

I’m skint, I would’ve rinsed him 😳

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 11/02/2023 05:00

Perhaps the shopkeeper just mixed up the cakes?

DoristheDuchess · 11/02/2023 05:08

Some red flags here.

My take on the situation was that he was almost trying to infantise you. You don't know what you what, I know what you want. I wonder if he would have behaved the same if you were a male friend?

Because that's the acid test here for me. If you change your sex to male, then the whole day would have been different. People will say, ' of course it would be different, a bloke wouldn't be like that to another bloke'. But think about that for a second, why would it be be different and why should we as women accept that it would just be different?

People can shrug this off as being nice or chivalrous, or as trying too hard to make a good first impression. But this guy doesn't hear the word no, and certainly not from a woman. That's a problem if he thinks that's a good first impression.

Whilst on the surface this would seem awesome, would you really want to be in a relationship with someone who sees your opinion as less than theirs?

OP is not in a relationship with him, so she gets the luxury of avoiding him. But the price could be the friendship.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/02/2023 05:18

Massive red flag!

HarlanPepper · 11/02/2023 05:27

I don't understand how anyone can read the OP and not think this guy's behaviour is, at the least, odd!

I know it's mainly about cake, and cake is nice and everything, we all like cake. But this is someone who won't take 'no' for an answer. I can almost understand about lunch - friendly arguments about paying for a meal can become a bit of a power play sometimes, but having 'won', it's like he had to keep winning all day. Weirdo. Red flags everywhere.

CementTrucker · 11/02/2023 05:40

givingupchocolatemonday · 11/02/2023 04:09

You sound quite obsessed to be honest

You go out for the day, it turns out to be uncomfortable, confusing and not at all what you expected, you think it over when you get home and ask others what they think. Pretty standard.

CementTrucker · 11/02/2023 05:46

Anyway, I see red flags everywhere. The sickly sweet obsequiousness to you as the friend (had a friend whose dp liked to accompany us and treat us as ‘his’ ladies when out - utter creep), the having to ‘win’ as someone else pointed out, the OTT gifting/treating, making a scene in the cake shop. One or two of those you could attribute to nervousness, but the cake swap means I wouldn’t give this bloke the benefit of the doubt. There is simply no way that can be interpreted positively.

MiddleParking · 11/02/2023 05:50

The cake thing is weird and annoying as fuck but the huge red flag for me was:

My friend wanted to buy a present for her niece, so we went into an absurdly expensive children's clothing store (He paid, of course) and when he saw me picking up and looking at something (I don't even remember what, I was really just waiting for my friend to choose) he was by my side like a flash asking if I wanted it for my DC.

Unbelievably creepy.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 11/02/2023 05:54

The fact it’s about cake is irrelevant. The key point here, which turns “a bit pushy about paying / ostentatiously generous / trying to make a good impression but coming off a little weird” into “big red flag” is his inability to respect a woman’s choices, including her choice to say “no” to something. He’s someone who has to have his own way and who will override a perfectly valid choice to impose what he thinks the woman should do.

Deliberately changing someone else’s order to your own preference is a controlling power play. This is not a Nice Guy.

ElizaGumpyLeg · 11/02/2023 06:01

bloodymary100 · 10/02/2023 21:55

Red flag for me but I have friends who aspire to meet a man like that...

@bloodymary100

Lol this. This guy sounds like a total dickhead to me but there’s a lot of women who are with guys like this who either seem to find it normal or even appreciate it!

custardbear · 11/02/2023 06:09

It's odd and controlling. I also don't like people incessantly insisting on paying either

ArmchairAnarchist2 · 11/02/2023 06:15

He might be a complete psychopath but he may also clumsily be trying to be generous. Are they staying with you?
We often visit a friend in London and although I don't buy clothes for her children I would buy all the food, treats and treats for her children that I also usually take out for the day. As part of a couple DH would be paying too.

Sally2791 · 11/02/2023 06:16

I think it’s creepy. Did you speak about it with your friend?

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